Not to step on anyone's toes, but the 86/87 CRX HF rear drums (aluminum with steel lining) weigh 4 lbs each versus the regular all steel ones that weigh about 7 lbs. They do fit on the hatchback and CRX rear brakes, but they do not fit on the Wagon, as the |Wagon rear brakes are bigger than the hatch/CRX. If the Insight has the same part number, then the fit would be the same.
Not to step on anyone's toes, but the 86/87 CRX HF rear drums (aluminum with steel lining) weigh 4 lbs each versus the regular all steel ones that weigh about 7 lbs. They do fit on the hatchback and CRX rear brakes, but they do not fit on the Wagon, as the |Wagon rear brakes are bigger than the hatch/CRX. If the Insight has the same part number, then the fit would be the same.
Thanks for the kind words, all. It did not come without challange, however. During some of the lower boost runs, we experienced some bad misfire:
Tons of misfire near peak torque, where the engine is most efficient. This was on 91 octane only, with some conservative ignition timing numbers, and the water-meth disabled. How did we solve it?
GROUNDS. Grounds are extremely important. By moving the battery and chassis ground from the thermostat housing (like stock) directly to the head, and providing an additional 4 gauge ground from the chassis to the cam gear side of the head, the misfire was completely cured!
The public support with this build has been phenomenal, and we at Bisimoto Engineering thank you for all your well wishes, and questions via emails. A common inquiry was why we chose the Dynapack Dynamometer for our testing and development, and for this build. The first insight is the concept of direct measurement and the elimination of the tire/roller interface. On a conventional inertia style dyno, the operator would try to tune a vehicle, while measuring what the roller was doing instead; unfortunately the roller and the car are never doing the same thing. There is always some slippage, and some loss of power in the transfer, but how much that is being lost in both cases is unknown and variable. On a front wheel drive vehicle, this phenomenon can be exacerbated if the front wheels are out of alignment. If you can eliminate this source of variation in the system, you have much more precise and repeatable measurement. In addition to that, noise is greatly reduced (very important in high boost and high compression tuning in order to hear audible ping), safety is increased by a huge factor (no straps to break), the system is much smaller and easier to live with in a shop environment, and performing partial throttle tuning is very possible and simple, yielding excellent drivability and fuel economy to boot. How often does the average enthusiast drive, drift or road race at full throttle? So why do so many shops only tune for wide open throttle environments? Power sensitivity, is also key, as even a 0.010” gap change in the BKR8EIX NGK plugs, or turning the lights on show a difference.
We prepared for high boost tuning by upgrading to the Torco SR-5 20w-50 synthetic oil to protect vital engine components during dynamometer runs, and also replaced a faulty original idle control valve with a new one from the local Norm Reeves Honda dealership in Cerritos, Ca. With premium unleaded 91 octane coupled with the AEM water-meth kit and Gen 2 AEM EMS, I proceeded to increase boost levels in the tuning session from the 13psi wastegate. Amazingly, at 19psi, it made over 480 whp on the pump gas, water-meth combo, and the NGK plugs looked spectacular. Higher boost levels were explored, and at an amazing 38-40 psi max range, the Bisimoto Wagon hit an astonishing 708whp at 487 ft/lbs of torque!
I was not very pleased with the condition of the plugs after that pull, as there was slight specking of the NGK plug’s porcelain indicating minor detonation. This simply means that the combination of 91 octane and the Water meth combo is a stout setup when hovering around 30psi, and I would not recommend higher boost levels than that on this setup.
To solve this, we simply upgraded the base fuel to Torco 108 unleaded. With slight tweaking of the tuning map, the same boost levels and the Torco fuel on board, the power jumped to a crazy 724whp and 500 ft/lbs of torque, and the spark plugs looked phenomenal. Here is a conparison of the two curves: 91 octane + AEM water-methanol and Torco 108 + AEM water-methanol:
Avid turbo enthusiasts may balk at the boost curve, but we find this quite appealing. It allows for good gas mileage (we documented above 28mpg even with spirited driving) due to its wide vacuum/low boost region and gives decent traction until 6000 rpms are exceeded. With the AEMs boost-per-speed function, high rpm wheel spin has been tamed. The vehicle has also been setup for anti-lag at the race track, and builds a healthy 10psi at rest hovering around 5700rpms with the launch control function. This allows for nice buildup of boost, and keeps the boost levels up in-between shifts. The AEM EMS is simply marvelous.
We at Bisimoto Engineering, are very pleased with the result of this build, and the initial goals of the project were exceeded. Choosing the right components, with technology and impeccable tuning on your side, the amazing can be achieved. We plan on keeping you updated as we perform improvements to this setup...
With slight tweaking of the tuning map, the same boost levels and the Torco fuel on board, the power jumped to a crazy 724whp and 500 ft/lbs of torque, and the spark plugs looked phenomenal.
Bisi: You are one of the major reasons I went Engineering in school. To do this to my vehicles, with the precision and know how to kill it in the import scene. Humongous props man. I'd love to see this thing in person.
Thanks for all the kind words, and feedback. The most recent Honda issue of SuperStreet has the final article of the build.
With all the fun on the dyno, coupled with numerous blasts on the street with 4 passengers (yes, people visit and ask for rides), the previous single disk clutch gave up the ghost. Now bare in mind that the Action 2MS is an excellent clutch for setups 600whp and lower, even in relatively heavy vehicles like our "full passengered" Bisimoto wagon.
Spec clutch came to the rescue with an amazing, and lightweight, twin disk clutch assembly, specifically manufactured for the D-series.
The construction is superb, the disks are made of a ceramic matrix, and of solid hub design. The attention to detail allows ease of installation (stickers like "flywheel side" and "clutch side" help the DIYer during install), and the steel flywheel is also appropriately lightened, which I simply love.
Eight pound flywheel...yes!!!
So, I removed the 2MS as she gave all she could:
Not so bad after tons of power runs on the Dynapack, and over 32 full throttle joyrides with friends and customers:
Weight comparisions. I would take a 2 pound rotating mass advantage, any day of the week!
Ready for installation:
In there!:
The kit came with specialized bolts for the flywheel and pressure plate. It is so cool to depress the pedal and hear the soft twin disk "chime" that is associated with multi-disk assemblies. The pedal pressure is not bad at all, and akin to heavy duty single diaphrams. After 500 miles of break in, the clutch assembly hooks like no tomorrow. Now, lack of traction is my friend...again.
I cannot wait to go to the track to test this vehicle out. Only if my busy schedule permits.
Bisi, your dedication to not only your projects but to remaining transparent to your customers and fans is what makes me really respect you as a builder. I'm in the process of building a sohc for my wagon right now and your involvement in the Honda community is the reason I've chosen to use your parts over other shops. With you there is no gimmick, no shtick, just numbers. Much love, much respect. Can't wait to see what you do next.
Super,
Thanks for the kind words, especially in the midst of so many people who are so upset about this build: from the b-series boosted guy, to my fellow D-series enthusiasts. A few feel that building a wagon was a waste of time, and that our project would fail.
The support of great fans, like the memebers on HCW, is what fuels my staff and I to continue to put out great products and projects. Long live the wagon!
Alot of people hate that you built a wagon? We think it's amazing, keep building. If I had the resources I would build a wagovan over any other honda platform, why, because no one does. I feel much better rolling around in a moderately fixed up wagon then a moderately fixed up 93-95 Civic 2dr.
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Tons of misfire near peak torque, where the engine is most efficient. This was on 91 octane only, with some conservative ignition timing numbers, and the water-meth disabled. How did we solve it?
GROUNDS. Grounds are extremely important. By moving the battery and chassis ground from the thermostat housing (like stock) directly to the head, and providing an additional 4 gauge ground from the chassis to the cam gear side of the head, the misfire was completely cured!
The public support with this build has been phenomenal, and we at Bisimoto Engineering thank you for all your well wishes, and questions via emails. A common inquiry was why we chose the Dynapack Dynamometer for our testing and development, and for this build. The first insight is the concept of direct measurement and the elimination of the tire/roller interface. On a conventional inertia style dyno, the operator would try to tune a vehicle, while measuring what the roller was doing instead; unfortunately the roller and the car are never doing the same thing. There is always some slippage, and some loss of power in the transfer, but how much that is being lost in both cases is unknown and variable. On a front wheel drive vehicle, this phenomenon can be exacerbated if the front wheels are out of alignment. If you can eliminate this source of variation in the system, you have much more precise and repeatable measurement. In addition to that, noise is greatly reduced (very important in high boost and high compression tuning in order to hear audible ping), safety is increased by a huge factor (no straps to break), the system is much smaller and easier to live with in a shop environment, and performing partial throttle tuning is very possible and simple, yielding excellent drivability and fuel economy to boot. How often does the average enthusiast drive, drift or road race at full throttle? So why do so many shops only tune for wide open throttle environments? Power sensitivity, is also key, as even a 0.010” gap change in the BKR8EIX NGK plugs, or turning the lights on show a difference.
We prepared for high boost tuning by upgrading to the Torco SR-5 20w-50 synthetic oil to protect vital engine components during dynamometer runs, and also replaced a faulty original idle control valve with a new one from the local Norm Reeves Honda dealership in Cerritos, Ca. With premium unleaded 91 octane coupled with the AEM water-meth kit and Gen 2 AEM EMS, I proceeded to increase boost levels in the tuning session from the 13psi wastegate. Amazingly, at 19psi, it made over 480 whp on the pump gas, water-meth combo, and the NGK plugs looked spectacular. Higher boost levels were explored, and at an amazing 38-40 psi max range, the Bisimoto Wagon hit an astonishing 708whp at 487 ft/lbs of torque!
I was not very pleased with the condition of the plugs after that pull, as there was slight specking of the NGK plug’s porcelain indicating minor detonation. This simply means that the combination of 91 octane and the Water meth combo is a stout setup when hovering around 30psi, and I would not recommend higher boost levels than that on this setup.
To solve this, we simply upgraded the base fuel to Torco 108 unleaded. With slight tweaking of the tuning map, the same boost levels and the Torco fuel on board, the power jumped to a crazy 724whp and 500 ft/lbs of torque, and the spark plugs looked phenomenal. Here is a conparison of the two curves: 91 octane + AEM water-methanol and Torco 108 + AEM water-methanol:
Avid turbo enthusiasts may balk at the boost curve, but we find this quite appealing. It allows for good gas mileage (we documented above 28mpg even with spirited driving) due to its wide vacuum/low boost region and gives decent traction until 6000 rpms are exceeded. With the AEMs boost-per-speed function, high rpm wheel spin has been tamed. The vehicle has also been setup for anti-lag at the race track, and builds a healthy 10psi at rest hovering around 5700rpms with the launch control function. This allows for nice buildup of boost, and keeps the boost levels up in-between shifts. The AEM EMS is simply marvelous.
We at Bisimoto Engineering, are very pleased with the result of this build, and the initial goals of the project were exceeded. Choosing the right components, with technology and impeccable tuning on your side, the amazing can be achieved. We plan on keeping you updated as we perform improvements to this setup...
:shock: :shock:
that.is.awesome.
It's all too often that elite engine / car builders hold onto their intelligence like they will go out of business if they tell people what they did.
I salute you Bisi. Not just for making superb cars, but for helping better the understanding in the entire environment.
Great thread!
Such an EPIC project Bisi! Greatest wagon built to date! (IMO) Congrats on an amazing accomplishment of hp! OMG! :shock:
love you build!!!
it's a launch...
no time for a talk...
Bisi: You are one of the major reasons I went Engineering in school. To do this to my vehicles, with the precision and know how to kill it in the import scene. Humongous props man. I'd love to see this thing in person.
With all the fun on the dyno, coupled with numerous blasts on the street with 4 passengers (yes, people visit and ask for rides), the previous single disk clutch gave up the ghost. Now bare in mind that the Action 2MS is an excellent clutch for setups 600whp and lower, even in relatively heavy vehicles like our "full passengered" Bisimoto wagon.
Spec clutch came to the rescue with an amazing, and lightweight, twin disk clutch assembly, specifically manufactured for the D-series.
The construction is superb, the disks are made of a ceramic matrix, and of solid hub design. The attention to detail allows ease of installation (stickers like "flywheel side" and "clutch side" help the DIYer during install), and the steel flywheel is also appropriately lightened, which I simply love.
Eight pound flywheel...yes!!!
So, I removed the 2MS as she gave all she could:
Not so bad after tons of power runs on the Dynapack, and over 32 full throttle joyrides with friends and customers:
Weight comparisions. I would take a 2 pound rotating mass advantage, any day of the week!
Ready for installation:
In there!:
The kit came with specialized bolts for the flywheel and pressure plate. It is so cool to depress the pedal and hear the soft twin disk "chime" that is associated with multi-disk assemblies. The pedal pressure is not bad at all, and akin to heavy duty single diaphrams. After 500 miles of break in, the clutch assembly hooks like no tomorrow. Now, lack of traction is my friend...again.
I cannot wait to go to the track to test this vehicle out. Only if my busy schedule permits.
Thanks for the kind words, especially in the midst of so many people who are so upset about this build: from the b-series boosted guy, to my fellow D-series enthusiasts. A few feel that building a wagon was a waste of time, and that our project would fail.
The support of great fans, like the memebers on HCW, is what fuels my staff and I to continue to put out great products and projects. Long live the wagon!
i'm gonna go pick up a copy of superstreet soon! :goodjob:
keep up the awesome work....
I shall be getting your products for my F22 Odyssey and my D16 rt4wd in the near future.
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