I love me some wagons! 90 rt4wd - Supercharged

Just picked up this beautiful wagon a few days ago, I'm really pumped to finally own a Civic wagon rt4wd. Here's some quick pics of everything. It really is in outstanding shape, the last two owners were older gentlemen and really kept good care of it. It's stock besides the DC strut brace, 15 inch wheels, and the powder coated valve cover. I kinda wish it still had the stock white rims, maybe I'll track some down someday.
It also came with a DC header but as I found out today the bottom piece doesn't fit because of the xfer case and stuff. After searching the web I see this is a common issue. I guess I need to visit and exhaust shop and have a piece made, doesn't seem like it would be too complicated. Any suggestion on the matter?



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  • bam-bambam-bam Council Member
    That's a really nice one!
  • 503Wagon503Wagon moderator
    super freaking clean wagon. THANK YOU FOR DOING SOME RESEARCH BEFORE JUST POSTING RANDOM BS!!!!!

    to answer your header dilemma. no stock header will fit on the RT due to the transfer case. you just have to extend the tubes down a bit until it will clear the transfercase. any exhaust shop should be able to do it for you no problem. I havn't gotten around to doing mine simply because i've been too busy!
  • jasnalljasnall Wagonist
    Thanks guys, I'm still freaking out a little over the condition, it's what I've been looking for. My plans for it are to keep it in pretty close to stock form while giving it a touch of me. I want to keep it NA and do what I can to get 20 more HP out of it. The stock suspension as actually still stiff and responsive.
    503Wagon wrote:
    you just have to extend the tubes down a bit until it will clear the transfercase. any exhaust shop should be able to do it for you no problem.
    I was trying to decide about that, do you just extend the top part and let the pipe hang right under the transfer case? I feel like it could be too low there is some situations. hmm... I forgot what it looks like down there already but can a shop bend a new pipe to go through the stock channel?
    I guess I just need to do what this guy did http://www.d-series.org/forums/naturally-aspirated/112425-my-rt4wd-civic-wagon-build-mild-3.html
  • simplyhondasimplyhonda Council Member
    Great looking wagon! Welcome to the site. I love me some wagon too. Enjoy your auto 4WD! I sure do.
  • FSC4wdFSC4wd familEE
    Custom lower RT4wd header mod: http://www.hondacivicwagon.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=15742. Great find.
  • 91RT4WD91RT4WD Wagonist
    That is super clean!! what the mileage?
  • Welcome. Nice clean fresh wagon. KISS....you wont regret it.
  • jasnalljasnall Wagonist
    91RT4WD wrote:
    That is super clean!! what the mileage?
    About 235k
    Okiewagon1 wrote:
    Welcome. Nice clean fresh wagon. KISS....you wont regret it.
    Does that stand for somthing...I'm a noob! :?
  • jasnalljasnall Wagonist
    FSC4wd wrote:
    Custom lower RT4wd header mod: http://www.hondacivicwagon.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=15742. Great find.
    Thanks, I found that post and printed the pictures. Gonna take em into a shop tommorrow and see if I can get my DC pipes fitted.
  • Congrats!!! Thats a clean wagon wish mine was that clean when i got mine. :)

    Im sure youll come across the stock rims.
  • jasnalljasnall Wagonist
    So I took my DC header to a muffler shop this morning and the guy didn't seem to confident, "I never done it before, but theres always a first time". Sooo I'll be looking elsewhere. I'm now starting to feel like I should sell these headers and get somthing cheap off ebay to hack up. It looks liek these DCs are about $300, I'd hate to waste em. Any opinions?



    Like this? 60 bucks
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1988-2000-Honda ... 61&vxp=mtr
  • jasnalljasnall Wagonist
    Still looking for opinions on my header delima. Should I sell the DC headers I have (they came with the car) since they seem to sell for over $200. Then buy a cheap set of ebay headers to have modified to fit my RT? Or just keep the DC's and have them hacked up.
  • jasnalljasnall Wagonist
    Took the car into an exhaust shop over the weekend to get some ebay headers fitted. The shops been really slow and hesitant to work on it I think, hopefully it's done today. This is my motivation to learn how to weld :)

    Also picked up a set of stock RT wheels and wrapped them in some Michellins that were on sale. I'll get some picktures up when I get the car back.

    I was concerned about my gas mileage, 24ish mpg moslty freeway, and got a recomendation to change the fuel filter and O2 sensor. After the change I got 29 mpg! :lol:. I don't know which part did but I'm a happy camper. I guess I also put the stock RT wheels on too;It had 15'' honda steelies on it when I got it, could be the smaller wheels too.
  • humorwvphumorwvp Wagonist
    Let us know how the shop did making the exhaust fit? And how much they charged you? Im thinking of doing it to.
  • 503Wagon503Wagon moderator
    it shouldn't take an exhaust shop more than like a couple hours tops to do it.....i did mine laying on my back on the garage floor in two hours.
  • jasnalljasnall Wagonist
    Honestly I think they kept putting it off or something, the guy said it took like a whole day lol so who knows. I'm sure most these shops are used to just cutting off and welding cats and mufflers. He charged me $85, probably more than it should be but it's done now.
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    I think I'm going to delete the cat and replace the rest of the exhaust with 2" and some muffler. Trying to find something that doesn't sound all buzzy or fart can like. After that, with the AEM SRI, the car should have much better air flow. I should notice some top end gains right?
  • robert5995robert5995 Band Wagon
    Jas -
    Wonderful car - contact me if you ever want to sell it! :lol:
    BTW, the rear drive of your car is un-hookable, for a bit more mileage on the highway. All that stuff in the rear still spins, but not having to drive "all that stuff" saved me a bit of mpg. How to do it is in the big manual, contact me if you can't find it.
    - Rob
  • jasnalljasnall Wagonist
    Havn't posted a pic with my new wheels yet.
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    annnndd my cupholders, they were there when I bought it. I think it's one of those fold up styles held down with velcro.
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  • shenrieshenrie Council Member
    KISS = keep it stupid simple ;)

    header work looks good. if your doing the rest of the exhaust, do it in 2.25. to keep it from being buzzy, I put the biggest inline resonator that would fit, and used a 4x9 maganflow or same style straight through muffler in the stock location that was about 24" wide. also used some magnaflow tips that were the closest to stock that I could find. its louder than stock, but not annoying and it doesnt drone on freeway.

    if it were me, id get some oem wires to replace those yellows ones. and when its time to replace cap & rotor, use oem only. honda electronics in dist are finiky. the extra price the oem parts are will save you the hassle of blown coils and ignitors down the road.

    your car looks to be in awesome shape, good luck with build!
  • jasnalljasnall Wagonist
    ^^^ Wow thanks for to helpful info! :D

    Your exhaust sounds like it's exactly what I'm trying to do. Did you keep the cat? if so was it just any cat or did you use a "high flow" or somthing? Can you post here or pm some more specific info on your exhaust like part numbers for what you used? What effect would running no resonater have?

    The wires and dist came on the car, I figured they were yellow and huge so they must be good :lol:
  • shenrieshenrie Council Member
    yep, i keep the cat just in case i ever need to pass emissions here. they take a lot less hp then everyone claims. I use the smallest one I can find at whatever time Im having an exhaust built.

    ive been using the same exhaust setup on all my cars since around 2002. I get a lot of compliments, especially at the local races. the most common being "I like your exhaust, it doesnt sound like all the other fartcan hondas around here", which is exactly what I like to hear. its loud from 5500 to 9500 rpms, but nice and tame under 5500. with the parts listed below, I can do a "stock configuration" exhaust. So if a cop is trying to hassle me for some bs, I can win in court if they decide to ticket me for an illegal exhaust. exhuast laws are often misinterpeted by officers. i have a copy of the law from beggining to end so they cant pull that bullshit on me anymore. our local laws eventually state (most officers only read the first few parts of the law, which states all aftermarket exhausts are illegal) that a exhaust can be altered, but must retain the stock configuration. Meaning it has to have the same amount of sound retention devices that came on the car stock. no mention of pipe diameter ;)

    I use these tips: http://www.magnaflow.com/02product/shop ... n&id=10333
    i use these mufflers: http://www.magnaflow.com/02product/shop ... in&id=9947

    i always use a resonator though. sometimes I install them backwards if I want a little more umph, but for a dd, I always put them in correctly. usually a cherry bomb style resonator, but a no name brand so its cheap.

    as for wires, youd be suprised how well old oem honda wires work. I used to put aftermarket wires on every car, then i started testing resistance in them and the stocker oems usually had less resistance then wires much bigger and a LOT mroe even across teh board from one wire to another. resistance is what kills the electronics in honda dists. keep that down to a minimun with new cap and rotor and stocker ngk plugs and youll rarely have issues with dist internals. unfortunatly, all that stuff wont keep your main realy from failing, lol.
  • wago_90wago_90 Wagonist
    real clean wagon my cupholders are held the same way they work great
  • jasnalljasnall Wagonist
    Picked up a JR supercharger this weekend and hope to start putting on my stock D16a6 today. A chipped po6 came with it that I will probably switch over to from OBD0. For now I'm going to carefully see how it runs on the stock setup. I'm not looking to push more than the stock 5-6 lbs of boost, any recomendation on setups? Injectors, tune, internals, etc.
  • SaXXXonSaXXXon New Wagonist
    im running 9 psi on my JRSC with a custom pulley (which resulted in a custom pulley on the power steering as well)

    mapped on the road with TurboEdit, Moates emulator and LC-1 wideband lambda :)
  • jasnalljasnall Wagonist
    SaXXXon wrote:
    im running 9 psi on my JRSC with a custom pulley (which resulted in a custom pulley on the power steering as well)

    mapped on the road with TurboEdit, Moates emulator and LC-1 wideband lambda :)
    What ECU are you running, stock?
  • SaXXXonSaXXXon New Wagonist
    stock ECU with the Moates Emulator built into, with homemade tune
  • jasnalljasnall Wagonist
    Got the IM out tonight, it's looking like it's going to be harder to complete than I wanted it to be with the engine in the car. I may pull the whole thing out tomorrow and do it right. I kind of set the SC in the bay and DAMN it's a tight squeeze. Looks like the pulley damn near touches the side of the bay. I didn't get a complete kit so I'll be trying to find out what adapters and hoses I'll need.
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  • bam-bambam-bam Council Member
    Go to supercharger.com and download the original instructions and bill of materials.

    Show us what you have of the kit, I'll help if I can.
  • jasnalljasnall Wagonist
    THanks Bam, I already had them send me the instructions and I didn't see anything about a bill of sale on the site. I do see the whole parts list for purchase, it's pretty much the same thing I guess.
    I'll snap some pics tonight of what I have but I can tell you know it's just the SC and throttle body with what seems like all of the barbs and fittings attached to it. I'm sure I'll need to make some vacuum lines and custom coolant hoses.

    I guess my main question is should I continue with the motor still in the car or will that be a losing battle?
  • jasnalljasnall Wagonist
    Pictures as it stands.
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    Working on transferring the easy pieces over and trying to make heads or tails of where all the hoses go.
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