I will make a separate post on the brake install which will include a Honda spindle stamp identification guide that I pieced together in order to solve the "what spindles do I have" mystery.
STAY TUNED!
As promised, here is an overall summary of charts, links, etc I put together to solve my spindle mystery.
When trying to bolt up a big brake kit made for OEM wagon spindles to DA integra spindles, the caliper mounting holes are too far forward thus making the calipers and pads line up like this on the rotor:
So the search was on to find out exactly what spindles I had to confirm they had be swapped from the OEM wagon ones.
Here is a summarized chart of my online research in hopes it may help to positively identify some of those "unidentified mysterious" spindles that are laying around out there unaccounted for.
Expanded knuckle view of above picture with part names and numbers HERE
ADDITIONAL REFERENCE ARTICLES
Rotor sizes and brake swap compatibility chart made by Brake Expert can be found HERE
Here's pics for comparison behind my 16x7 +40 offset Rota Slips
With the stock 9.4" Wagon rotors
With the DA Integra 10.3" rotors
With the 12.19" Wilwoods
They fit, but not by much:
A few more clearance pics when the spindle was off the car.
And now the weigh in:
Wilwood rotor, caliper and line= 16 lbs
OEM rotor, caliper and line= just under 15lbs
Like I stated in an earlier post, the brake upgrade is way overkill, but I think it was worth the deal and if not anything else, looks good behind the 16" rotas.
Next step will be to strip all the old paint and grease and add a new finish before bolting them up for good.
Although Wilwood's web site says that the 12.19" kit will fit some 15" wheels, I cant believe this is true for many 15" (considering the minimal space left on my setup), therefore a 16" is a must for most including my Rotas.
Check the wheel requirement measurements figure below for wheel fitment guide.
The image above is Figure 2 on page 3 of the Install Instructions for the Dynalite kit HERE
Wilwood does make an 11" kit and claim that they are engineered specific for each vehicle and are fully compatible with OE master cylinder output and fit 15" wheels.
See link to all Wilwood Kits for 89 Dx Wagons HERE
Thx bill. Hope ur not creepin around Spokane looking for wooden wheels but
next time you find one, break in and take some detailed pics of the horn assembly mechanism. HA HA!
Thx bill. Hope ur not creepin around Spokane looking for wooden wheels but
next time you find one, break in and take some detailed pics of the horn assembly mechanism. HA HA!
lols, not at all. i found those pix in a "rare parts thread" on honda-tech...
i will take pix of how my cvcc wheel button stays on...
also I may be moving to your side of the world soon....
Ive been thinking about how to make this work too. Got a couple of ideas. Def keep me posted, especially if you will be moving (or visiting for that matter).
lols, not at all. i found those pix in a "rare parts thread" on honda-tech...
i will take pix of how my cvcc wheel button stays on...
also I may be moving to your side of the world soon....
BILL
u know we aint got no damn snow for u here ......
might have to bring that water jet and leave the snowboards there .... ( to tell u the truth i did want to bring Scrappy up to play in you snow lodges for real...)
Ive been thinking about how to make this work too. Got a couple of ideas. Def keep me posted, especially if you will be moving (or visiting for that matter).
BILL
u know we aint got no damn snow for u here ......
might have to bring that water jet and leave the snowboards there .... ( to tell u the truth i did want to bring Scrappy up to play in you snow lodges for real...)
lols i know, no snow- I can find another board to occupy my time... maybe surf or back into skateboarding heavy again... although im approaching 30 and my body doesnt recover like it did when I was 15
Approaching 30? Psssshht. Try 46. I don't bounce near as high as I once did, either.
If you make it over this way though, we got your watersporfs jones covered. For me the new "board" is standup paddleboard. Low impact!
Approaching 30? Psssshht. Try 46. I don't bounce near as high as I once did, either.
If you make it over this way though, we got your watersporfs jones covered. For me the new "board" is standup paddleboard. Low impact!
Bam guess we dont wanna tell him about the Lake fun ciVic Wagon meet i slept thru .....
and ur blue lipped acura integra friend LoL
Approaching 30? Psssshht. Try 46. I don't bounce near as high as I once did, either.
If you make it over this way though, we got your watersporfs jones covered. For me the new "board" is standup paddleboard. Low impact!
Didnt realize you could just use one arm to get around on a paddleboard without going in circles. Hows that shoulder treating you? If your insurance approves one of them hoverround jet skis, i wanna ride! Ha ha!
Not much of an update. Weather here in ATL hasnt been to paint friendly (raining, too cold, snow flurries) so I havent finished painting the spoiler. Some new goodies arrived today to be thrown in "the pile"
Spent a little time cleaning up the block this weekend. It had the typical grease and grime and some extra on the rear drivers side due to a busted axle boot but wasnt too bad. After some purple power, brake cleaner, foamy degreaser and some elbow grease with a steel brush and a final pressure wash, she cleaned up pretty good.
During:
Before and Afters:
Gotta tackle wiring next. I keep putting it off, but I need to focus and get it figured out soon.
Quick update. Got spoiler painted today. Still some small blemishes but it will have to do for now. Will post pics later as wagon is in garage up on jackstands about to go under the knife. Here is a pic that summarizes the last 30 mins:
From the Start
Bringing in tha Hook
Out with tha D
From Below
Empty Bay
Next steps will be swapping over OBD0 Wagon harness to the new OBD1 motor and then soldering and running the supplemental OBD1 wiring.
Comments
As promised, here is an overall summary of charts, links, etc I put together to solve my spindle mystery.
When trying to bolt up a big brake kit made for OEM wagon spindles to DA integra spindles, the caliper mounting holes are too far forward thus making the calipers and pads line up like this on the rotor:
So the search was on to find out exactly what spindles I had to confirm they had be swapped from the OEM wagon ones.
Here is a summarized chart of my online research in hopes it may help to positively identify some of those "unidentified mysterious" spindles that are laying around out there unaccounted for.
Expanded knuckle view of above picture with part names and numbers HERE
ADDITIONAL REFERENCE ARTICLES
Rotor sizes and brake swap compatibility chart made by Brake Expert can be found HERE
EF, DA, and SIR spindle comparisons article HERE
Im in the process of putting in new lower ball joints on the OEM wagon spindles.
I will post some pics of the new Wilwood Kit installed in a few days.
Wilwood Brake kit install
Here's pics for comparison behind my 16x7 +40 offset Rota Slips
With the stock 9.4" Wagon rotors
With the DA Integra 10.3" rotors
With the 12.19" Wilwoods
They fit, but not by much:
A few more clearance pics when the spindle was off the car.
And now the weigh in:
Wilwood rotor, caliper and line= 16 lbs
OEM rotor, caliper and line= just under 15lbs
Like I stated in an earlier post, the brake upgrade is way overkill, but I think it was worth the deal and if not anything else, looks good behind the 16" rotas.
Next step will be to strip all the old paint and grease and add a new finish before bolting them up for good.
Congrats and thanks for being so understanding about the kit. Told ya it would work:))))
Although Wilwood's web site says that the 12.19" kit will fit some 15" wheels, I cant believe this is true for many 15" (considering the minimal space left on my setup), therefore a 16" is a must for most including my Rotas.
Check the wheel requirement measurements figure below for wheel fitment guide.
The image above is Figure 2 on page 3 of the Install Instructions for the Dynalite kit HERE
Wilwood does make an 11" kit and claim that they are engineered specific for each vehicle and are fully compatible with OE master cylinder output and fit 15" wheels.
See link to all Wilwood Kits for 89 Dx Wagons HERE
Wowzers.
Agreed! Thats why you dont buy new at retail MSRP and keep your eyes open for a deal on a used set in good working condition.
I am a loser...
yes upgraded ...
prelude rotor
legend dual piston calibar
stock wagon prop valve
next time you find one, break in and take some detailed pics of the horn assembly mechanism. HA HA!
lols, not at all. i found those pix in a "rare parts thread" on honda-tech...
i will take pix of how my cvcc wheel button stays on...
also I may be moving to your side of the world soon....
BILL
u know we aint got no damn snow for u here ......
might have to bring that water jet and leave the snowboards there .... ( to tell u the truth i did want to bring Scrappy up to play in you snow lodges for real...)
:devilish:
sir im sorry to inform U but i think yall got enough wagons n Geargia .....
Florida needs a few .....
LOL
by the way do u have any more pictures of the rear wing ....
this was my want for the rear end of the next ciViכ wagon 2wd rhd project after Scrappy is home n Florida
will keep you posted...
lols i know, no snow- I can find another board to occupy my time... maybe surf or back into skateboarding heavy again... although im approaching 30 and my body doesnt recover like it did when I was 15
we sold our jetski in anticipation of our moving...
If you make it over this way though, we got your watersporfs jones covered. For me the new "board" is standup paddleboard. Low impact!
and ur blue lipped acura integra friend LoL
During:
Before and Afters:
Gotta tackle wiring next. I keep putting it off, but I need to focus and get it figured out soon.
Ken
STAY TUNED!
(Out with tha D)
From the Start
Bringing in tha Hook
Out with tha D
From Below
Empty Bay
Next steps will be swapping over OBD0 Wagon harness to the new OBD1 motor and then soldering and running the supplemental OBD1 wiring.