Met with a fellow HCW'er today!
superhatch
Moderator
Hellmeroma invited me over to get a sneak peak at some of the stuff he was selling, a sort of locals first invite. It was super cool of him to do so since he had a ton of super sweet swag that he had left over from a wagon build that didn't quite happen (he sold his first wagon, and has another in the garage). What started out as a quick look at some parts turned into a 2 hour discussion about wagons, old Hondas, junkyards and the like. Great guy, and a true enthusiast.
We were letting each other know about some of the great places online to find local parts, who sells good stuff on ebay, etc. when Josh let me know he had gotten banned from buying or selling on the forum. Then he showed me the PM log from a potential sale of his speaker pods which didn't seem to ever happen. The potential buyer kept saying that Josh had to accept his paypal transfer, but Josh hadn't seen any money, nor any request to accept payment. After -MANY- attempts at telling the potential buyer that he had not seen any money (although the potential buyer had said multiple times that his payment was now pending) Josh simply stopped replying to the potential buyer. Not because he was sitting on money and not shipping an item, not because he was being shady, he was simply tired of having a discussion about selling an item that the potential buyer never seemed interested in paying for. No money changed hands, no parts changed hands. The interesting thing is that the potential buyer seemed to know a Mod on HCW, and with little to no investigation on the part of the Mod, he banned Josh from the for sale forum. If I hadn't seen all the PM logs, and paypal logs live, right there on Josh's computer I would have thought there could possibly be another side to the story, but it seems rather cut and dry. Just wanted to mention this so that perhaps one of the Mods not involved in this whole deal could look at things again.
Excluding an obvious wagon enthusiast, and a good seller with lots of rare goodies from the forums due to a seeming nudge from one friend to another just seems wrong.
We were letting each other know about some of the great places online to find local parts, who sells good stuff on ebay, etc. when Josh let me know he had gotten banned from buying or selling on the forum. Then he showed me the PM log from a potential sale of his speaker pods which didn't seem to ever happen. The potential buyer kept saying that Josh had to accept his paypal transfer, but Josh hadn't seen any money, nor any request to accept payment. After -MANY- attempts at telling the potential buyer that he had not seen any money (although the potential buyer had said multiple times that his payment was now pending) Josh simply stopped replying to the potential buyer. Not because he was sitting on money and not shipping an item, not because he was being shady, he was simply tired of having a discussion about selling an item that the potential buyer never seemed interested in paying for. No money changed hands, no parts changed hands. The interesting thing is that the potential buyer seemed to know a Mod on HCW, and with little to no investigation on the part of the Mod, he banned Josh from the for sale forum. If I hadn't seen all the PM logs, and paypal logs live, right there on Josh's computer I would have thought there could possibly be another side to the story, but it seems rather cut and dry. Just wanted to mention this so that perhaps one of the Mods not involved in this whole deal could look at things again.
Excluding an obvious wagon enthusiast, and a good seller with lots of rare goodies from the forums due to a seeming nudge from one friend to another just seems wrong.
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1. just to clarify one thing, Mods cannot ban anybody. only the Admin has that capability.
2. honestly, this is all new to me so i will take it by the council, and get things squared away.
Must not be a big deal if he's leaving it up to you.
And with all that writing, you couldn't have been more vague about the actual process and the parties involved. I do know that he was less than punctual when it came to responding to his threads. But that's not a reason for banning.
Clearly you're already misinformed if you think a mod banned him (we'll assume you think it's me). And you didn't even mention who the supposed buyer was.
Edit: I looked it up... it's pretty lame that he would go and not respond. I don't care if you decide not to go through with it. If he has a problem, he needs to contact us. We've got plenty if information for the other side of the story. Clearly he doesn't give a shit, if he's having you fight for him. I might make our info public so you can see, but probably not.
Now, back to the subject at hand. The buyer he/I am talking about was B-rad. I had for sale some speaker pods, and an armrest, B-rad showed interest in the pods, and we agreed upon a price. I gave him my paypal info, expecting to receive payment, but I never did. He kept telling me payment was sent, and that I needed to accept it, but my paypal never asked me to accept, not showed any money being sent. We PM'd each other back and forth a few times trying to figure out what was going on, and we got nowhere. He kept sending me PM's asking about the pods, but since no money was ever sent, and he couldn't seem to figure out the paypal process, I just ignored them. I have been using paypal since 2001, and maybe he's been using it for a while also, but never before have I had an issue with "having to accept" the payment. I didn't need the money, and I was done dicking around, so I simply ignored his PM's and took down my for sale thread.
After all of this happened, I starting receiving PM's or emails, can't remember which, from one of the mods/admins. He asked me what happened, I told him exactly the same thing I just typed, and that I thought I didn't do anything wrong. After a few PM's/emails, and me repeating myself over and over, he told me that was shady selling tactics, and soon afterwards, I was banned from the HCW marketplace. I'm not exactly sure of the reasoning, but it happened. I would have liked to make the transaction with B-rad work, but my time is valuable to me, and I was done dicking around with the whole situation.
Now, the reason that superhatch made this post instead of myself, is that he's has been on here a lot longer, so he knows mostly all of you, some of you even by first name. I've been lurking here for a while, been a member for a bit, but haven't had any real convo's with too many members. I wasn't standing behind him having him fight my battles, we just thought he might be able to get through to more people than I could. Charb1618, thanks for your two cents, but I would think as a moderator you would come on here posting worthwhile information, not your opinion, which is feel is total garbage. I guess I should watch what I type though, because it appears you can get banned for someone being over-sensitive. Anyways, thanks again Jacob for making this post, I will speak to you soon.
If we can get this resolved somehow I would really appreciate it. It doesn't have to be public on this post, it can be through PM or email if the mods/admins would like. I really don't feel I did anything wrong, but if I stepped on toes, I sincerely apologize. I have a lot of good/rare parts just stacked up in my bedroom and my storage locker, and would like to give you guys the first oppurtunity to purchase them if you would like. I also would like to be able to look at the cars for sale, as I do want to get back in a wagon once my house is built, and I also want to be able to post wagons I find for sale that I'm either not interested in, or not ready to pull the trigger on quite yet. I think that's all I have to write at this time, and questions or concerns can be sent my way, thank-you.
I'm pm'ing superhatch and hellroma that the subject will be handled after the holiday
It really is cut and dry, i saw the evidence of a payment being made. When B-rad was concerned that the payment had gone through but no parts had been sent, he contacted hellmeroma to try and deal with it, which hellmeroma ignored. B-rad retracted the paypal transaction as he heard nothing and made a comment in hellmeromas for sale thread, which was passed onto me by a mod. I asked each individual about their parts, and each said their bit.
Based on the fact that a payment had been made and hellmeroma admitted he ignored the puchaser i banned him from the marketplace.
Mods cannot ban people. Mods cannot delete posts. If you guys want someone to blame for these types of things stop blaming them and start communicating with me if you have some kind of issue.
As above if you ignore someone or are not forthcoming about a situation i.e. are vauge or apathetic about it then yes you will be banned from the marketplace and considered a time-waster.
At no time was anyones personal friendships or position used to influence this decision. Your accusations are fruitless and really, just show no backbone. Grow up.
Superhatch, next time I suggest you get both sides of the story before barrelling in like a Superhero.
After meeting with Josh and realizing that he was a really straight guy, who was not only an enthusiast, but also a seeming good guy (granted we only met once), I felt this could be reviewed again. I have no problem speaking up on issues I think might need another look, so I posted. I did not know that mods couldn't ban (again, my admitted lack of knowledge on the structure of the boards) but thought it might be possible that a mod (if he had that power) could do something like that without the Admin knowing.
In retrospect I could have gone about this by contacting a mod first, and will do so in the future with any other issue of the sort. But after reviewing Josh's logs I felt like it could have been misinterpreted.
On a separate note, I think that standing up for something you think might be wrong is what backbone is all about. I thought I was being very grown up about the issue, didn't mention any names, didn't say any bad words, and was open to having another mod "look at things again" (again, when I thought Mod's had that power). I wasn't demanding, or expecting any particular outcome...and I'm still not.
-Jacob
If you want to discuss the matter further then please feel free to PM me.
I'm glad that I'm getting my marketplace access back, that's all that was really wanting to be accomplished, and I will be more apathetic if situations like this would ever come about in the future.
somewhere between the lines...
you are...
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I think you are...
well I mastered my smile,
really trying nut 'crack'n 'up
...mang...
phew...
this is shaped like a christmas tree,no ? : )
Not much of a reader?
I personally do a lot from my phone (like this). But some things are damn near impossible.
Thanks!