Function and Form Type 1. Any Comments?

AlphaxomegaAlphaxomega Senior Wagonist
in Suspension, Braking & Wheels
So i will be getting a new suspension set up late December as a Christmas gift to myself.
I am looking into getting some function and form type 1's.
Has anybody used these?
if so whats your inputs on them , i am going to be riding low and not slammed, good enough to daily on them.
no tracking or abuse on these, just to feel good while i daily on my low wagon.
all inputs welcome.
thanks
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  • Wangon_bobWangon_bob Wagonist
    Good set, we sale a ton of them.... And it helps that they are fairly inexpensive
  • jt223539jt223539 New Wagonist
    I had these Coilovers on my last daily, it was a slammed EK and I do have to say they rode amazing. They weren't to stiff nor to soft, and they go pretty low also. And as a huge kicker, they are cheap! For the price you cant get a better product.

    I actually just put the coils from my EK on my wagon, however due to my lack of tires I haven't been able to drive on them yet, so I can't give you a full review on the wagon platform. Overall I can't wait to get to drive on these again.
  • AlphaxomegaAlphaxomega Senior Wagonist
    have you loaded your ek before with all four seats filled? and it still rides good?
    i like the price too its cheap and i hear yays and nays of the set up i just want to see what people here that have had it feels of it.
  • asnamasnasnamasn Wagonist
    yeah, at first i was gonna go with some GC+ Koni's and GC tophats, so if this is better/just as good and cheaper, i'd be down to get some. Plus some places are having pretty good sales on the internet haha.
  • jt223539jt223539 New Wagonist
    Alphaxomega wrote:
    have you loaded your ek before with all four seats filled? and it still rides good?
    i like the price too its cheap and i hear yays and nays of the set up i just want to see what people here that have had it feels of it.

    I had low offset wheels, and was slammed, and could ride around with 3 friends in my car and only rub slightly when I would hit large bumps. And like I said they weren't to stiff, but at the same time they aren’t the softest coilovers either. I autocrossed with them once, they did fairly well, little to soft, but for what they were they preformed decently well.
    asnamasn wrote:
    yeah, at first i was gonna go with some GC+ Koni's and GC tophats, so if this is better/just as good and cheaper, i'd be down to get some. Plus some places are having pretty good sales on the internet haha.

    There are quite a few differences between the F&F type 1s and GC/Konis. The Koni's have adjustable stiffness, while the F&F type 1s do not. I also believe the spring rates are slightly different on the GC's when you buy them in combination with the Koni’s.

    Here is what I would use to decide which coilovers to get; if you want an aggressive set up that can be fine tuned to work as a great handling daily and also have the car see some track time, then GC/Koni setup will defiantly be what you will want. However if you want a nice daily set of coilovers that give you height adjustability, decent ride, and dont have the extra $300ish to spend, then F&F type 1s are the way to go.

    But the decision solely rests in your hands, as you know what you want, and how you want your car to handle.
  • AlphaxomegaAlphaxomega Senior Wagonist
    do you remember what spring rates you went with your function and form type 1s jt223539?
  • jt223539jt223539 New Wagonist
    What ever they cake with. Not sure what they are though.
  • superhatchsuperhatch Moderator
    Whats the price on the F&F? I had some D2's on my EP3 and those were really nice as well. I think I got them for $800 shipped.
  • asnamasnasnamasn Wagonist
    superhatch wrote:
    Whats the price on the F&F? I had some D2's on my EP3 and those were really nice as well. I think I got them for $800 shipped.

    Wek-sos has them for $630 shipped. (free shipping)
    http://www.weaksauceparts.com/store/pro ... t=0&page=1
  • AlphaxomegaAlphaxomega Senior Wagonist
    local jdm shop around my town has em for $550 pick up only.
  • jt223539jt223539 New Wagonist
    Yea I got mine for 550 shipped from a online dealer. I just PMd a lot of people until someone gave me a hell of a price.

    Oh and D2s arnt bad especially if you are looking for a cheap set with adjustable dampening.
  • AlphaxomegaAlphaxomega Senior Wagonist
    alright has anyone tried the type 2? with adjustable dampening?
  • ogwagonogwagon Wagonist
    I have type1's on my wife's wagon and they ride pretty damn good. They are soft enough that she doesn't complain about a harsh ride which was an issue with her previous suspension(Skunk2 sleeves w/Tokico blue shocks). The down side is that the front doesn't lower as much as the rear. You can get the rear to sit right where the fender meets the tire(no gap). The front however leaves almost a full inch gap at the lowest setting. I am running camber kits in the front and rear so that probably didn't help either. I ended up using ST drop forks in the front in conjunction with the type 1's to achieve the drop I wanted.

    Another thing that I think could be improved is the spring rates. I think the rears are a little too soft for wagons. The fronts are 10k and the rears are 6k. I have this exact same suspension on my EF hatch and I think it rides/handles way better on the hatch due to the weight difference. I think the type 1's with 8k springs in the rear would be better suited for a wagon. I know when the wagon is loaded with two adults and two kids,occasionally the rear tires bottom out against the inner fender wells and the muffler scrapes and leaves trails of sparks behind me.

    My friend had type1's on his 95 Integra 4dr and experienced the same thing with the rear suspension. He traded up to the type2's and was much happier with the ride quality.

    Oh yeah, the only reason I bought these two sets was because I only paid 430.00 for each set from buddy that had close ties to Function/Form. No longer the case. :(
  • AlphaxomegaAlphaxomega Senior Wagonist
    Wow thanks for the input. I am really considering the type 1s given the fact i have low moneys.
    i will see if i can get 8k rear spring rates on these, i was wondering about the weight difference in the rear from regular hatches.
  • ogwagonogwagon Wagonist
    If money is low and you don't plan on slamming your wagon, then you can just try the Type1's as they come and see what you think.
    If later you decide the rear is too soft for you, then you can always purchase Eibach ERS springs individually (and cheaper) in the spring rates you want for the rear. Function/Form even offers Eibach springs with their Type 2.5 suspension so you know they are compatible. :wink:
  • B18C5-EH2B18C5-EH2 Moderator
    I guess I'll be the only one who didn't like the way mine rode. My wagon came with a set on it when I bought it, and I was so displeased with the way it rode I took them off, sold them, and bought Eibach Pro Street S coil-overs which ride amazingly smooth.

    I have a child seat in my wagon though, so I have to be particular about ride quality. "Ride quality" is far too subjective though as I've seen people say that Ebay coil-overs on stock shocks (likely blown) "rode great."

    LOLzers!
  • jdm_rolexjdm_rolex New Wagonist
    If i were you i would spend a couple more hundred for the type 2s. I have had personal experience with them in my brothers DB1. It rides so nice with 4 people in the car. and when you hit the corners you can adjust them to stiffen them up too! still rides nice! i would run these over the D2s or Ksports because the type 2s are dual valve. That helps with the ride quality. I have been in the Ksports and they ride too harsh for my standards. D2s and Ksports are single valve. Its up to you really.

    When you put the type 2s on it will be slammed! and i mean slammed! this is my brothers DB1 after type2s were put on. Just for some refernece the type 2s right out of the box. No adjusting..

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  • AlphaxomegaAlphaxomega Senior Wagonist
    i dont think im going to need the type2s i am not going to ride that low, just about 1-2 fingers from fenders, if i pack people i might see how it rides like that or i might raise it in the rear for it, i have gone through alot of suspension set ups, they all have flaws in my wagon with droop, camber in/out, spring rates, it goes on and on, so ill try the type1s for now just to daily, but i might consider the type2s if i sell some of my bikes to get the extra $200.
    Also did you raise the integra or kept it at that height?
    looks like it will rub if it jumps.

    Also anybody know how high the type 1's can go? also the type 2's?
    just want to know.
  • jdm_rolexjdm_rolex New Wagonist
    The integra got raised. Its about 2 fingers in the front and 2 fingers in the back. I live in WI, so it had to be ready for winter mode.
    Also as for the max of the type2s I think that was pretty much it. My brother and I raised the car as high as we could. I would say that even at that hieght when rolling with 4 ppl, it rides great. Doesn't really bottom out, and the roads here in WI/MN are pretty shitty. Either way I think an investment in the FFs type1/2 will be worth you money! Thats probably what I will be getting too for my wagon.

    I wont lie to you these coil-overs were designed for the slammed look. When you jack up the car there is no suspension travel like most of the other setups. But the funny thing is that my dad 55 year old Hmong guy drove the DB1 and said it rides way smoother than my other brothers DC2(GC/AGX combo), and the DB1 was slammed too like the picture above.

    I am just trying to help you out and givin my .02.
  • asnamasnasnamasn Wagonist
    jdm_rolex, would you say these are better than a GC+Kon+GC top hat combo?
  • jdm_rolexjdm_rolex New Wagonist
    I think think that both are great in there own ways but I feel that with the GC/koni set up you are pairing up 2 different types of brands to create one. Thus causing an unequal balance in spring/shock performance. Don't get me wrong i have been in the GC/koni equipped ride, and they are TRIED AND TRUE! It rides nice but i just personally like the FF type2s because the price value. Its just that GC/Koni/top hats are really expensive. My brother with the gc/agx just added the top hats to them. His set-up to me isn't worth the money and it doesn't ride as nice.

    WEKsos- has GC/koni/ setups for $890 and $245 for a full set of topshats and thats extra you will have to spend for the top hats.
    - ff type1-$630
    - ff type2-$899

    It really just depends on your budget and personal preference..

    BTW just to cover myself i DID NOT SAY that GC/Koni set up sucks. They are a great set-up, they are also tried and true.. You must make the choice.
  • asnamasnasnamasn Wagonist
    so for the money you'd say get the ff type 2's? and since its a pillow ball top you don't need top hats right? Hmm, might go this way instead of GC/koni if its a bit better or the same but cheaper haha.
  • jdm_rolexjdm_rolex New Wagonist
    asnamasn wrote:
    so for the money you'd say get the ff type 2's? and since its a pillow ball top you don't need top hats right? Hmm, might go this way instead of GC/koni if its a bit better or the same but cheaper haha.

    If you don't run the GC extended top hats on the GC/Koni set-up you have to use OEM stock ones. Think with me here you spend almost 900 for a suspension set-up and you still use you OEM tophats. To me that's kinda a waste, I don't mean to bash on OEM.

    I know that you will like your purchase!
  • asnamasnasnamasn Wagonist
    No i'm saying for the GC koni's i would buy the top hats, im talking about the type 2's you wouldn't need top hats. is that correct or should you get extended top hats either way?
  • jdm_rolexjdm_rolex New Wagonist
    with the type2s you WILL NOT need top hats. They will come ready for you to bolt up to your car.
  • asnamasnasnamasn Wagonist
    hmm then I might just go with these instead of the GC/Koni's
  • asnamasnasnamasn Wagonist
    one last question lol i forgot to ask, are these pretty stiff? and if i remember right you said these have a great ride quality correct?
  • jdm_rolexjdm_rolex New Wagonist
    the stiffness is alright. It will handle cornering, and drag racing pretty well.
    Front Spring rates are 12k Rear are 8k or 10k.
  • asnamasnasnamasn Wagonist
    so the higher the "k" rating the stiffer right?
  • AlphaxomegaAlphaxomega Senior Wagonist
    what about issues pulling into an elevated driveway from the street at an angle, is there enough damp to get the third tire on the ground?
    my rear suspension set up pops kinda when i do this (ef sedan springs w/ Oem Wagon shocks).
    i am about 2 fingers of fender gap in the back and front.
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