Kill switch

klumklum Senior Wagonist
in Electronics, Fueling & Air Conditioning
anyonee got fuel cutoff switches or kill switches to prevent theft?

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  • leWolfleWolf Senior Wagonist
    I had one in my integra, I mounted it under the seat where the fuel pump wires run. I assume the wagon wouldn't be much different, just make sure you dont splice into your fuel gauge wire :lol:
  • pierceseanpiercesean Wagonist
    just buy an alarm. its better then a kill switch
  • suspendedHatchsuspendedHatch Wagonist
    Don't put it on the fuel pump as it is painfully obvious and easy to bypass for any thief. Instead, put it inline with the black wire on the main relay. This is a low current ground wire, so there's little danger of messing anything up, and you can use a small switch. This kills many things in the car so it is very difficult for a thief to diagnose.

    Also, move your main relay as high up in the dash as possible.
  • CharbCharb Administrator
    Do em all... if they want the car, they'll get it regardless (think towing).

    My old hatch was stolen twice in a month. Both times (same spot, fucked up I know) it was parked under a bright ass light, up front in my apt complex. The second time, it had no ECU.
  • leWolfleWolf Senior Wagonist
    Charb1618 wrote:
    Do em all... if they want the car, they'll get it regardless (think towing).

    My old hatch was stolen twice in a month. Both times (same spot, fucked up I know) it was parked under a bright ass light, up front in my apt complex. The second time, it had no ECU.

    they towed your hatch? what dicks :?
  • suspendedHatchsuspendedHatch Wagonist
    Just cuz there's no ECU doesn't mean they towed it. You know, virtually any Honda/Acura ECU from the same generation will plug in and run the car. Pretty useless security measure. Virtually all security measures are extremely easy to bypass unless the installer has put some real thought and energy into it.

    I personally will never take advice from someone who's had their car stolen.

    People love to say that theft is inevitable, but I've had several attempts on each of my cars and once on my wife's and they never got away with them. Just a f'd up door key hole and pry marks around the window (and side mirror WTF?).

    Anyway, check out http://www.civic-eg.com/causeforalarm.
  • CharbCharb Administrator
    suspendedHatch wrote:
    I personally will never take advice from someone who's had their car stolen.

    People love to say that theft is inevitable, but I've had several attempts on each of my cars and once on my wife's and they never got away with them. Just a f'd up door key hole and pry marks around the window (and side mirror WTF?).

    I personally will never take advice from someone who feels the need to prove they've owned more than one Honda, in their signature.

    Clearly the people who tried to steal your cars previously, are fucking idiots. Honda's are extremely easy to steal. And if they want it, they'll fucking get it.

    And for the record, they did tow it. Scrapes on the ground say so. Stop trying to be a know it all!
  • suspendedHatchsuspendedHatch Wagonist
    Well you can get all pissed... I wasn't trying to be rude though I can see how you would have taken offense. Believe it or not, it wasn't targeted specifically toward you. I just find it ironic that there are so many posts on forums of "my car got stolen, there's nothing you can do about it so don't even try". Okay maybe I made a slight jab at you but I just find that very frustrating. So I apologize.

    And the list of previous cars in my sig is something I see all over this forum and others. It's not like I'm trying to brag.

    They can want it all they want. Go to http://www.civic-eg.com/causeforalarm and tell me that if they can't get my cars, it must be cuz they're idiots.

    It's virtually impossible for an ordinary thief to steal my cars.
  • 3rd4ce3rd4ce Council Member
    suspendedHatch wrote:
    Well you can get all pissed... I wasn't trying to be rude though I can see how you would have taken offense. Believe it or not, it wasn't targeted specifically toward you. I just find it ironic that there are so many posts on forums of "my car got stolen, there's nothing you can do about it so don't even try". Okay maybe I made a slight jab at you but I just find that very frustrating. So I apologize.

    And the list of previous cars in my sig is something I see all over this forum and others. It's not like I'm trying to brag.

    They can want it all they want. Go to http://causeforalarm.thecarthing.com/ and tell me that if they can't get my cars, it must be cuz they're idiots.

    It's virtually impossible for an ordinary thief to steal my cars.

    I actually did an install like this on my old Low rider mini truck.. http://causeforalarm.thecarthing.com/da_integra/
    but lets say my 5 sirens and 16 air horns and 1 PA speaker kinda helped deter the bad bad people .... horns kinda sounded like this cdocumentsandsettingscompaq_ownermydocumentsmymusiclesliers3lgoodsoundupclose.wav
  • oilspotoilspot Wagonist
    Charb1618 wrote:
    I personally will never take advice from someone who feels the need to prove they've owned more than one Honda, in their signature.


    Zzzzzing!
  • The_HeadThe_Head familEE
    I feel for you guys who live in areas where you have to worry about theft. I made a few trips to SoCal in my old 95 Civic coupe and was pretty nervous about it.
  • suspendedHatchsuspendedHatch Wagonist
    The_Head wrote:
    I feel for you guys who live in areas where you have to worry about theft. I made a few trips to SoCal in my old 95 Civic coupe and was pretty nervous about it.

    I thought I was safe when I moved from San Diego to Salt Lake. 2nd month I was here, someone tried to jack my EG. They popped the hood. Probably went straight to the latch since there was no damage or indication of tampering.

    Criticizing my sig was lame and made little sense. Having owned lots of cars is certainly no badge of honor.
  • CharbCharb Administrator
    suspendedHatch wrote:
    Criticizing my sig was lame and made little sense. Having owned lots of cars is certainly no badge of honor.

    You're clearly looking for something from showing us the Honda's you've own. And it makes complete sense. You look like a 21 year old kid looking for respect because he's gone through a bunch of girls at the bar. You're definitely a man now!

    If you wanna talk shit about why someone shouldn't take advice from me, be prepared for me to throw it right back at you.

    Now is the time where you let it go, and move on...
  • Old SkoolOld Skool Council Member
    To alarm or not alarm is the question :)
    there are many good models out there.. it really depends on the install as SuspendedHatch states.. I've come across a many a horrors in my 21years of installing.. I ran code-alarm electronic hoodlock pins for years.. I remember when they attempted to steal my vw caddy.. the hood was bent to 45 degrees on both corners :shock: from them trying to get it open.. the doors were pooched around the handles (I had plates on the inside to prevent screwdriver or slim jim access. They broke the window and attempted to climb inside (I had the inside door plunger disconnected) they then attempted to hot wire it.. but of course I had multiple kills installed.. in the end they gave up.. I'm glad insurance covered it..
    On the wagons.. I have gone even some pretty trick installs.... multiple kills.. tilt/motion/impact/glass sensors- lock/hood deadbolts/ pwr window controls/line lock.. it will be hard to get around it all.. but if they want it there is always gun point :lol:
  • CharbCharb Administrator
    Old Skool wrote:
    but if they want it there is always gun point :lol:

    Awesome

    One of my best friends had an attempted jacking in a K Mart parking lot here in Spokane. He told them to shoot, and he kept his car lol (this was before he became a father of 3)
  • leWolfleWolf Senior Wagonist
    Charb1618 wrote:
    Old Skool wrote:
    but if they want it there is always gun point :lol:

    Awesome

    One of my best friends had an attempted jacking in a K Mart parking lot here in Spokane. He told them to shoot, and he kept his car lol (this was before he became a father of 3)

    LOL, thats fucking awesome! I still like the old detachable sterring wheel with the locking cap that you cant get off. My buddy has one and it's pretty sturdy.
  • suspendedHatchsuspendedHatch Wagonist
    Charb1618 wrote:
    You're clearly looking for something from showing us the Honda's you've own. And it makes complete sense. You look like a 21 year old kid looking for respect because he's gone through a bunch of girls at the bar. You're definitely a man now!

    Wow! You read me like a book!!! Er... married with children 31 year old... but damn, it's uncanny!! Interesting comments though considering your avatar image.

    Just wondering if you're one of those forum guys that gets all upset when he isn't the biggest know-it-all? I'm just trying to share some good info. I know that's a crime on some forums...

    Can we make peace and be friends now? GOOD!

    Anyway. I wouldn't put too much stock in detachable steering wheels. I've seen many threads on other forums about cars that have been stolen regardless. The same is true of removing the ECU since just about any Honda/Acura ECU within the same OBD generation will plug right in and run the engine. Also fuel kill switches... very easy to get to the fuel pump wire near the backseat and bypass it.

    Good cheap option is a main relay kill switch. It's safe, it's easy, and it's very hard for a thief to diagnose since it kills the pump, injectors, and several sensors. There's a solid black wire on the main relay which is a low current ground. No danger of blowing a fuse and no need for a relay or high rated switch. You can also cut and extend the wire w/out repercussion. Just put a switch inline and hide it!

    Next thing above that would be a well-concealed alarm. Most of the wires you need to get to can be found behind the cluster or in the plastic case running alongside the driver's side door jamb. Great for putting the alarm under the plastic in the trunk or up high in the dash around the glovebox or climate control area. Add a hood pin switch (they're not included in many alarms now but you can get one for a few bucks). It's a single wire hookup. Hook up the trunk trigger. DEI 520T backup battery is better than a backup siren. Hide a second siren in the interior. Put the under-hood siren on it's own 1A fuse.DEI glass break sensor is plug n play.

    You don't need to spend a lot of money doing this. You can get a Viper 350 on buy.com for less than $100. Also, Hornet is a good alarm. Backup battery, sensors etc can be found on ebay or amazon.com for quite cheap.

    Above that is the Viper 210 GPS tracking. You can kill the engine remotely, then locate it on the website. They'll work with the cops to recover it. But if anyone on this forum has a wagon that warrants that level of security, I want to see it!
  • qbertqbert Band Wagon
    this is easy. We do it at work all the time. You need a relay. Cut the starter wire in half. Connect one half to pin 87 and the other to pin 30. Hook up pin 86 to ground. Hook pin 85 up to anything that does NOT drop in power during the starting of the car.Headlight switch,Turn-on wire from radio,brake switch or whatever you can think of. Now the only way the car will start is if the key is turned AND you turn something else on. All for about $10
  • nominousnominous familEE
    Clifford AKA DEI now? Have the BlackJack thingy which is nice but they are spendy. However a whole bunch of people have copied it. A friend of mine used to have a system which used something like RFID. So he had a tag in his wallet and the car wouldn't run for long without that being inside of it.

    There is a large black/something wire looped into the rear loom and stright back into the front again at least in the CRX. I'm pretty sure it'll be common to all EF's. Cut that wire and the car wont run. Seems odd thing to do really, unless it was intended for some sort of factory alarm?

    But I've had a UK Hodna dealer alarm circa 1990 and it wasn't very good. Just designed for rapid fitment.


    I know how easy it is to break into a Honda.
    First time I did it with a numberplate whilst drunk in a camping meet at night when someone locked their keys in.
    Totally nondestructive too.
    Breaking the steering lock off is a doddle too, never mind starting it.

    That said, I had a kill switch on my last CRX which was well hidden under the dash. The Shuttle is getting a Clifford as I ripped a few out of cars I broke and it seems a waste being on a shelf when I can have auto start and be childish :)
  • suspendedHatchsuspendedHatch Wagonist
    qbert wrote:
    this is easy. We do it at work all the time. You need a relay. Cut the starter wire in half. Connect one half to pin 87 and the other to pin 30. Hook up pin 86 to ground. Hook pin 85 up to anything that does NOT drop in power during the starting of the car.Headlight switch,Turn-on wire from radio,brake switch or whatever you can think of. Now the only way the car will start is if the key is turned AND you turn something else on. All for about $10

    There are a number of ways to bypass any starter kill within seconds.

    The main relay is just above the hatch release handle. It is uniquely difficult to get to on EF's (which is great for theft prevention). Cut the black wire. Extend the relay side to wherever you're hiding your switch, using at least 18 gauge wire, and hide the wire! You can leave the car side of the black wire disconnected. Connect the other pin on your switch to ground using some more 18 gauge wire and a ring terminal. You can connect it to a factory 10mm bolt or use a metal tapping screw.

    Using the main relay kills the fuel pump, the injectors, the O2 sensor, and the alternator. You can't bypass it simply by running a wire to the fuel pump under the rear seat. You can't bypass it by push starting the car or running a wire from the battery to the starter. Thieves haven't seen this before, though they've seen all other types of kill switches many times. It's very cheap, and very easy. It also happens to be the most effective type of kill switch.

    http://www.civic-eg.com/causeforalarm/main_relay_kill/index.html
  • MrLewayneMrLewayne Wagonist
    Good info. Funny drama. :)
  • p1nchemonop1nchemono Band Wagon
    MrLewayne wrote:
    Good info. Funny drama. :)

    x2
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