6 speed?

senomarsenomar Band Wagon
in Engine & Drivetrain
What's the deal with these cars and six speeds? I've seen a couple on the board here... is this a factory option? or is it something that is swapped in? I can't seem to find a definite answer to this question...
thanks
cody

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  • davensdavens familEE
    Yes we have a factory 6sp but not like something like a s2000.
    We have a super low, pre 1st gear for off road creeping, towing loads etc
  • senomarsenomar Band Wagon
    thanks for the reply! so, how does that engage? and just to clarify, that's the only trans available for manual cars, right? how reliable are they (the transmissions)? and if they break, how easy are they to fix? I'm in the market for one, and i'm just trying to get my facts straight... thanks again!
    cody
  • sic944tsic944t Wagonist
    it engages like any gear .... it is way over to the left sometimes i shift from sl to first to be a dick but its normal nothin fancy and it is very durable it seems i dont pwer shift mine on dry pavement everytime i drive but it has 217,000 miles and going i beat the shit out of it in snow and mud from time to time mostly snow ..... and that gear ca climb like serious hillls ive gone up hills at construction sites that some trucks wouldnt do ....
  • HaydzHaydz Moderator
    To engage SL 1ST, push the clutch in, push the lever hard to the left until it stops, then push harder again and it should move further, then push upwards as if you are going into first gear.
    All of the 4th gen RT4WDs have this gear, it locks the centre coupler and as sic944t says, can climb hills better than most trucks or other 4WDs.
  • senomarsenomar Band Wagon
    cool... i'm up to speed now. thanks!
    i pick my red '90 RT wagon up on Sat. should be a fun drive home...
    Cody
  • SiWagonSiWagon Council Member
    8) The RED Wagon is the best L 8) 8) KING colour for the usdm especially with the with(Oopps...White) wheels. Other countries have next colours too.
  • nominousnominous familEE
    Pacifier wrote:
    To engage SL 1ST,
    All of the 4th gen RT4WDs have this gear, it locks the centre coupler

    The viscious centre coupler? How does it do that?
  • HaydzHaydz Moderator
    No idea, always wondered myself how it actually locks it.
  • nominousnominous familEE
    Really don't see how it could do. Surely to do that there would need to be a linkage to it which there isn't. :?
    Where did you get the info from that it was doing that ? Honda?

    See, if it's designed to lock it up then being the way Honda are it'd make me think that the system might be able to cope happily with a locked centre diff all the time.
    I know people here have done it but it's still a reasonably scary thought :lol:
  • HaydzHaydz Moderator
    SL definately locks $WD in full-time i know that, wheather it does it via the centre coupler or not is a different story i guess. Don't see it being done anywhere else though! :)
  • nominousnominous familEE
    Trying desperately not to sound like I'm attempting to assasinate you; how do you know?
    It's just something I want to get to the bottom of for the why and hows. If it's doing this then it makes SL the choice of launch gear really.
  • SiWagonSiWagon Council Member
    nominous wrote:
    ... If it's doing this then it makes SL the choice of launch gear really.

    :? 1/2 wrong.1/2 right .The Viscous Coupling(VC) and the SL are separate issues.The SL gear is the best launching gear,but it'll take a BIT of practice to shift from SL to 1st.

    If the centre coupler & the Viscous Coupling(VC) are the same.SL does NOT lock the VC.The VC is purely mechanical .When the VC senses more than a 10% slippage it engages.The VC is oil & clutchplates hence the term "Viscous".I believe later year Shuttles may have used a electronic engagement when Honda merged the VC with the rear diff.Look under "LSD" in this link:
    http://www.hondacivicwagon.com/board/vi ... .php?t=595
  • HaydzHaydz Moderator
    SiWagon wrote:
    The VC is oil & clutchplates hence the term "Viscous".I believe later year Shuttles may have used a electronic engagement when Honda merged the VC with the rear diff.Look under "LSD" in this link:
    http://www.hondacivicwagon.com/board/vi ... .php?t=595

    They never merged the centre coupler and rear diff on the Shuttles that i know of - i never used to be able to see the VC on my car until i had a really good look but it was definately there - just smaller that the USDM ones i had seen and slightly further to the front.

    On an added note, when i shorted out the ALB system the system would also lock... indicating some form of electronic control. :?

    Nominous, we tested and tested with the Shuttle up on jacks and also running her on grass and found that the SL was locked centre.
  • HxCforeverHxCforever Wagonist
    Pacifier wrote:
    To engage SL 1ST, push the clutch in, push the lever hard to the left until it stops, then push harder again and it should move further, then push upwards as if you are going into first gear.
    All of the 4th gen RT4WDs have this gear, it locks the centre coupler and as sic944t says, can climb hills better than most trucks or other 4WDs.

    thank to you i finally found the sl gear
  • HaydzHaydz Moderator
    When i first tried it in my car i couldn't do it, i had to use quite alot of pressure as it had obviously never been used. :shock:
  • HxCforeverHxCforever Wagonist
    Pacifier wrote:
    When i first tried it in my car i couldn't do it, i had to use quite alot of pressure as it had obviously never been used. :shock:

    same here. when i baught the car it came with a 98 integra gsr shift knob. i knew it had an sl but couldn't figure out where it was. even after you description it was still hard as hell to get it all the way left.
  • wagodizzlewagodizzle Council Member and EDM expert
    Pacifier wrote:
    When i first tried it in my car i couldn't do it, i had to use quite alot of pressure as it had obviously never been used. :shock:

    wasnt there a funny story as to how you discovered SL? eh eh? :mrgreen:
  • HaydzHaydz Moderator
    :oops:

    It involves a monkey, a piece of string, a gearknob and two fish hooks.
  • wagodizzlewagodizzle Council Member and EDM expert
    a monkey, better not tell her that. :lol:
  • nominousnominous familEE
    Pacifier wrote:
    i never used to be able to see the VC on my car until i had a really good look but it was definately there - just smaller that the USDM ones i had seen and slightly further to the front.

    Good, because I recall reading about your shuttle and being from the land of JDM it was decidedly different with the rear LSD and at the time you said it had no VC joint.

    On an added note, when i shorted out the ALB system the system would also lock... indicating some form of electronic control. :?
    Yes. I'll go with that. I'd guess that it played with the diff in some manner now, however previously what with your car having no VC that you could see it actually made more sense having an electronic rear diff control.
    Nominous, we tested and tested with the Shuttle up on jacks and also running her on grass and found that the SL was locked centre.
    I honestly don't see how that can be conclusive compared to the same test done whilst in 1st. :?
    Perhaps the gearing would allow things to move more freely, but if the VC was locked and all four corners on stands, if you tied the rear wheels to the ground it would stall.
  • HaydzHaydz Moderator
    When in first the car would start to do helicopters and sortof taper off and on again as the power moved between front and rear. When we did the same thing in SL it just kept doing heli's without slowing down and speeding up.

    Also when tied down (see kiwi backyard burnout pad) in 1st the fronts would move first and then the rears, but in SL the car would start spinning all fours right away.
  • SiWagonSiWagon Council Member
    nominous wrote:
    ... but if the VC was locked and all four corners on stands, if you tied the rear wheels to the ground it would stall.

    That's how u test the VC except you'd apply the hand brake.Wgn stalls...VC works.Wgn doesn't stall ....VC bad.
  • nominousnominous familEE
    SiWagon :shock: Righty, guess what I'm doing later :lol:

    Anyone ever ripped a VC apart ?
  • ThinkFabThinkFab Wagonist
    doesnt the handbrake lock all 4 wheels in the rt4wd?
  • SiWagonSiWagon Council Member
    :? Handbrake only locks the rear wheels.This is how it works.Handbrake is applied.VC senses 10%+ slippage ...If the VC is working it locks the tranny/engine in & engine stalls. That's why it looks like all 4 wheels are locked together. :shock:
  • ThinkFabThinkFab Wagonist
    it does it when its out of gear too
  • SiWagonSiWagon Council Member
    Pacifier wrote:
    SiWagon wrote:
    The VC is oil & clutchplates hence the term "Viscous".I believe later year Shuttles may have used a electronic engagement when Honda merged the VC with the rear diff.Look under "LSD" in this link:
    http://www.hondacivicwagon.com/board/vi ... .php?t=595

    They never merged the centre coupler and rear diff on the Shuttles that i know of - i never used to be able to see the VC on my car until i had a really good look but it was definately there - just smaller that the USDM ones i had seen and slightly further to the front.

    On an added note, when i shorted out the ALB system the system would also lock... indicating some form of electronic control. :?

    It was merged see link:
    http://www.hondacivicwagon.com/board/vi ... php?t=2766
  • HaydzHaydz Moderator
    That was INTRAC only. :P
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