my 88 EE4 project... warning: slow progress

this is post copied from D-series.org... it was posted on 05-25-2009, and yes the pics are terrible... i dont care


on to the pixz of my super fugged up wagon

the good:
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  • also posted on D-series.org on 5-25-09
    the bad... lol (all three of the jacked up doors and the fender will be replaced, as well as the front and rear bumpers):

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    blown D16a6 (going to be replaced by a mildly built d16z6 (on boost) thats sitting in my garage

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    after i scraped out all of the broken glass (you guys should have seen this whole car before i started by the way, lol)

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    so yeah, the car is rough as shit... but the tranny seems clean (including diff and driveshafts) and there is little to no rust, so i got the body/drive train for $300... and ive got alot of work ahead of me


    Edit: also notice the drilled off ignition, ha
  • and these are current posts from D-series.org
    so as you all realize now, im very slow with getting things done on this project... i blame 50+ hour work weeks and the fact that 95% of the work is done by myself with no other help, this is also the first major project of this nature ive take on by myself.


    anyways, i did some work this weekend... here are the pics.

    Saturday:
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    looks like the previous owner liked to smoke...
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    also found out what was wrong with the old factory D16a6...

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    and if you look a little closer notice the location of the rod:

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  • on to sunday:
    starting to remove the mounts to pull the engine.
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    out she comes:
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    empty bay:
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    as it sits in my garage now, waiting for the tranny to be removed, then the engine is junk minus the oil pan which i plan to remove and fix.

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  • oh...

    next weekend im planning on getting the new driver side front fender and doors, passenger side front door, and rear window.

    at the same time ill be gutting the rest of the engine bay to prepare for paint/wire tuck and gutting the interior
  • wagodizzlewagodizzle Council Member and EDM expert
    wow, hats off to you man for taking on that project! what are your plans?
  • wagodizzle wrote:
    wow, hats off to you man for taking on that project! what are your plans?


    well im going to steal jaker's idea and put a solid drive shaft in with a modified LSD in the rear end... but im leaving the front wheel drive active as well, powered by a boosted z6 (225ish hp)... and lots more
  • JakerJaker familEE
    well im going to steal jaker's idea and put a solid drive shaft in with a modified LSD in the rear end... but im leaving the front wheel drive active as well, powered by a boosted z6 (225ish hp)... and lots more


    TurboTeg was the 1st to do the 1 piece driveshaft thing (no viscous coupler), but I think I was the 1st to fit an LSD into the rear diff.
  • Jaker wrote:
    well im going to steal jaker's idea and put a solid drive shaft in with a modified LSD in the rear end... but im leaving the front wheel drive active as well, powered by a boosted z6 (225ish hp)... and lots more


    TurboTeg was the 1st to do the 1 piece driveshaft thing (no viscous coupler), but I think I was the 1st to fit an LSD into the rear diff.


    i see... well i will be jacking both of your ideas (if you dont mind?)... and i will PM you pretty soon with a couple questions on the specifics (again, if you dont mind?)
  • JakerJaker familEE
    Don't mind at all. However, it might take me a day or so to reply. Why not put it here (ask me here) in your thread so everyone can see how it's done?
  • Jaker wrote:
    Don't mind at all. However, it might take me a day or so to reply. Why not put it here (ask me here) in your thread so everyone can see how it's done?

    ok... which LSD did you use? D series or B series? ive heard both...


    and what exactly did you drill out to make it fit?


    also, what type of axles did you have to end up using? i know they were custom but is there a stock axle that will work?
  • JakerJaker familEE
    I used the OBX D series LSD. If I'd known 100% that it was going to work, I would have spent the money on a more expensive diff (Quaife or KAZZ). Since it was an experiment, and I knew I'd be permanently altering the diff, I felt a bit better about possibly wasting the money on an OBX.

    The bolt holes that the bolts to hold the ring gear onto the diff were the ones I had to open up. Since the ring gear has threaded holes, and they're normal right hand thread, the threaded holes in the diff (left hand thread) have to be opened up to let the bolts pass through. The diff is hardened steel. I don't think you'll have much luck drilling them out. I used a grinding stone in my Dremel to do 2 of them. That took about 2 hours and the 2nd hole ended up a little biger than I wanted. The other 8 holes were done by a machine shop. It wasn't very expensive, and was so much more accurate that I could have done it.

    You need to use FWD inner joints. The same ones that you would use if the diff was mounted in a FWD car like 92-95 Civic. The inner joints are different lengths on FWD. The inner joints of the rear axles on the RT4WD Wagon are the same length. The seats in the diff for the circlip that holds the axle in are not the same distance into the diff. I never investigated the possibility of using FWD inner joints with RT4WD rear axles. I knew I was going to want much beafier axles. You won't be able to use FWD axles in the back. The length needed is right in between the left and right FWD axle lengths. I don't know of any other OEM axle that will fit.

    The shimming of the diff will also need to be adjusted. You need the lash between the ring and pinion to be just right. The OBX diff has slightly different width than the regular RT4WD rear diff. I had an transmission and diff shop do the shimming for me, as I was not comfortable in my skills to do it myself, and I know this area is going to be critical in my build. It was expensive, but I'm more comfortable with the rear diff now. I brought various shims with me (I took all the shims out of the 4 diffs I have here, and bought some shims from the transfer case for the 1st gen CRV - very close to the same dimensions). In the end, the shop ended up using some shims that they had there.
  • wow... very usefull information. thats getting saved asap...


    i believe ive got acess to all the machinery needed to open up the holes (full machine shop at my job)... and ive got some co workers that might be able to help me with the shimming... if not then ill take it to a tranny shop like you.


    how hard is it to change the ends out on OEM axles? i might go that route
  • dankspeeddankspeed Wagonist
    Good looking project. Good luck with it.
  • thanks man... 3 clean doors, a front drivers side fender, and a good back window are coming friday ;)
  • WOOT: just ordered an OBD1 vtec engine harness (gonna end up taking it apart for a wire tuck) and a turbo, mani, and downpipe... hopefully that will be here by the beginning of next week. Im also pretty sure my coilovers should be here by the end of this week :)
  • coilovers arrived today... ill post up pics in a few
  • Woot for Coilovers!!!

    opening them up...
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    i wont be getting the doors/fender/glass this weekend as i got laid off yesterday so i cant justify spending money on such things right now :(

    but i will be gutting the engine bay & Interior this weekend, and if I have another Job landed by next week ill pick the body parts up then
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