different wiring for EF cluster?

noobnoob Band Wagon
in Electronics, Fueling & Air Conditioning
So I know that if you stay year specific that an EF cluster should work the same. I have an 89 wagon and I am trying to use an 89 EF SI cluster. When I plug it, it does not work, it seems like the speedometer is working on the gas and the rpm is working on the heater. But the RPM and Speedometer just does not move. Also, the brake light only comes on when i turn the lights on and the Highbeam stays on even though the highbeam is not on. Can someone tell me if I'm doing it wrong??

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  • Eagle BeagleEagle Beagle familEE
    useless to say it looks like
    different pinout
    :mrgreen:

    no one with a flow chart of the two
    ?
  • wagodizzlewagodizzle Council Member and EDM expert
    first off, the speedometer is connected by a cable. make sure its plugged in.

    second, and MOST IMPORTANTLY.. that IS NOT an '89 cluster. that most definitely is a 90-91 cluster. sorry mang! but thats your problem ;)

    88-89 cluster looks like this:

    85.jpg
  • noobnoob Band Wagon
    I guess its safe to say problem solved. :lol:
  • wagodizzlewagodizzle Council Member and EDM expert
    hehe yep :mrgreen:
  • Eagle BeagleEagle Beagle familEE
    hmmm :shock: ...its a no-go
    ??!!
    no-go-nuts
    who wants some?
    :mrgreen:
  • skinnyskinny Senior Wagonist
    here are some pics to help you in your swap. all the info is from http://www.tuner-junction.com/TJForum/h ... 1-crx.html . If your swapping the cluster you will have to re pin the connectors or just hack the old ones of and solder them on. You will also need to switch to a electronic VSS as your cluster has the VSS built in. The odd thing is. it looks like a 90-91 cluster but it has a cable speed-o set up on it. Hope that helps and if you need any help pm me. I swapped a JDM CRX cluster in my 88 and had to re do all the wires. Worked great after I figured out the VSS wiring and that you need to fuse the power if its comming straight from the batt.
  • Eagle BeagleEagle Beagle familEE
    skinny saves...
    oh my g...
    ! he shoots...
    !!! HE SCORES !!!
    AND the crowd goes wild...
    heehaw
    ! go skinny ! go skinny
    :mrgreen:
  • noobnoob Band Wagon
    wow. Thanks skinny. dude that's some good info. I think i'll just have to go through with this swap because it sounds like fun stuff.
  • stephenstephen Senior Wagonist
    i would rather get one of these:

    77.jpg
  • Eagle BeagleEagle Beagle familEE
    i would rather get
    oy!, your pants are on fire...
    :mrgreen:
  • rti intracrti intrac Senior Wagonist
    Re: stephen

    Whats that out of!? Never seen that before
  • wagodizzlewagodizzle Council Member and EDM expert
    S2000.

    btw, the 90-91 Civics STILL use a speedometer cable.

    that extra plug on the back, who knows what its for because i had a cluster with it and just didn't plug it in, nothing bad happened ever :lol:
  • evol911evol911 familEE
    No electronic VSS on 88-91 Civic/CRX/Wagon... all cable!
  • noobnoob Band Wagon
    okay. so i'm not understanding this VSS thing. how does this work?? anyone with a detailed DYI or any info so that i can feel confident in what i will be doing. :lol:
  • wagodizzlewagodizzle Council Member and EDM expert
    noob wrote:
    okay. so i'm not understanding this VSS thing. how does this work?? anyone with a detailed DYI or any info so that i can feel confident in what i will be doing. :lol:
    you dont have a VSS so dont worry about it :lol:
    just get a cluster for an 88-89 and forget all the headaches ;)
  • noobnoob Band Wagon
    that sounds more reasonable. :D
  • skinnyskinny Senior Wagonist
    I should add that the cluster swap I did was a JDM SIR cluster and it uses a electronic VSS. You also have to get the metal brackets that the cluster screws too as well as the cluster bezel i guess it would be called as the 90-91's have a rounded top.
  • stephenstephen Senior Wagonist
    rti intrac wrote:
    Re: stephen

    Whats that out of!? Never seen that before
    wagodizzle wrote:
    S2000.

    right. its an EF with an s2000 gauge cluster.
  • skinnyskinny Senior Wagonist
    Yeah we picked that up.
  • HaydzHaydz Moderator
    Where did you put it after you picked it up?
  • evol911evol911 familEE
    That S2000 cluster fits horribly in EF's...
  • ragenasianragenasian Moderator
    skinny wrote:
    Yeah we picked that up.

    Seems unnecessary, especially from a 3 month old :roll:
    evol911 wrote:
    That S2000 cluster fits horribly in EF's...

    There is an opel digital cluster that is sqare. I need to get some pics of it. Might fit pretty good under our bezels.
  • skinnyskinny Senior Wagonist
    You will also need to have the cluster modified to use a regular VSS and i think its a oil temp sensor.


    http://www.marklamond.tsohost.co.uk/pro ... /order.htm

    Here is the man to do it. prices and everything you ever wanted to know about swapping the cluster. For the $500+ its gonna cost you, you could do a custom cluster of autometer guages.




    Back on track though. How is the cluster swap going? Did the info I pm'ed you help?
  • skinnyskinny Senior Wagonist
    Oh and after looking at his site its 170 euro to convert the cluster.


    Live rates at 2009.05.01 08:32:38 UTC
    170.00 EUR

    =

    225.081 USD
    Euro United States Dollars
    1 EUR = 1.32400 USD 1 USD = 0.755284 EUR

    So say $225 plus the cost of the cluster, plus the cost of shipping both ways. Then it has to sit in customs both ways. So figure its gonna take you atleast 2 months to get it sent off, converted, then shipped back and wait to clear customs. Wish I had the money to do it.


    Edit: looking over ebay a cluster from a 2000-2003 will run you anywhere from $75 to $200. I couldnt find a 04 and up.
  • Marc_EE9Marc_EE9 Senior Wagonist
    mark lammond is a legend in the UK in the Honda movement

    the Opel/Vauxhall digital dash is from an Mk2 Astra GTE


    as said, the EF9 and EF8 (siR) have VSS digital speedo's, where as all the rest are cable
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