Well, I bought innovative shift linkage...

Ajr49123Ajr49123 Band Wagon
in Engine & Drivetrain
bought the linkage for my 1990 wagon dx with b16a swap (ys1 gearbox), and each piece is just under an inch too long.
I posted asking if it would fit and people said it would, anyone else have this problem?

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  • leWolfleWolf Senior Wagonist
    Can you get a tape measure out and measure the lengths? I will compare to what I have.
  • leWolfleWolf Senior Wagonist
    You still alive man?
  • Ajr49123Ajr49123 Band Wagon
    The lengths are approx. 36" and 42" 3/8

    Here are some pics

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  • stampernstampern Senior Wagonist
    Hmm, I had a stock set I had to cut when I did an auto to manual conversion on a wagon a while back - about an inch had to be removed. I just thought I had a eg set. Maybe they were ef and the wagon is different/shorter. These were also for a d series, not b though.
  • Ajr49123Ajr49123 Band Wagon
    The linkage I'm comparing it to in the pic is shortened DA linkage that fits perfect. I really dont want to hack up the innovative linkage.
  • Ajr49123Ajr49123 Band Wagon
    I'm guessing I'm out of luck, Anyone else out there with this setup?
  • stampernstampern Senior Wagonist
    I'd call innovative - they are really good about that kind of stuff. I've dealt with them a bunch. I'll keep looking around, trying to think of anybody in my area that has a 2wd wagon with a b series swap.
  • DREADPiRATEDREADPiRATE Band Wagon
    I would call innovative like he said. It may be an issue with your mounts. Was it an auto to manual conversion? If so. It could be the mount position.
    I've had issues with using the HASPORT mounts.
  • JDMWago666JDMWago666 Senior Wagonist
    My wagon has innovative shift linkage with no issues.
    I'd call them and talk to them about it.
  • Ajr49123Ajr49123 Band Wagon
    It's just a dx manual. I'll try to contact innovative, but I bought this linkage from a private seller on ebay so idk if they'll help. I'm starting to think the wagon has specific linkage. I'm using new innovative mounts as well, and they work great.
  • JDMWago666JDMWago666 Senior Wagonist
    Wagon does not have a specific shift linkage. Any "ef"(88-91civic) b series shift linkage will work in the wagon. Maybe you just got a bad one. I'd contact the seller if it was a private seller
  • leWolfleWolf Senior Wagonist
    JDMWago666 wrote:
    Wagon does not have a specific shift linkage. Any "ef"(88-91civic) b series shift linkage will work in the wagon. Maybe you just got a bad one. I'd contact the seller if it was a private seller
    Yeah, I think the seller sold you the wrong parts because the innovative ef2b swap stuff fits.
  • pandawagon91pandawagon91 Band Wagon
    what shift linkage do i use or can u use single cam linkage and just cut and weld the end that bolt to the trans...for a b16 PLEASE HELP
  • pandawagon91pandawagon91 Band Wagon
    i have a b16 in a wagon and have hasport shift linkage for 88-91 civic crx with b series swaps and its too long prob at least 1 or 2 inches too long any body know how to fix it. i once had da linkage that was cut and still wasnt good, can u just use single cam linkage and just cut and weld the end that bolts up to the trans?
  • NZ-DB8RNZ-DB8R Moderator
    You have to cut and modify whatever linkages you use, the length you need depends on the mounts you use.

    I used CRX ones and took at least 40mm out of them all up over a couple attempts
  • PrennroPrennro Council Member
    I recently put a b18 into a 89 dx wagon using hasport specific bseries into ef linkages and everything lined up and fits perfectly. Using Avid Motor mounts too. See pg 3 of my swap write up for reference
  • wagonef8wagonef8 Wagonist
    I had to cut my crx b series linkage to fit my wagon

    91 wagon Hasport mounts
  • HaydzHaydz Moderator
    So... those that cut, what year and is it auto or manual? Same goes for those that didn't cut? Maybe there actually is some difference we haven't picked up on?
    I guess it would also be prudent to measure both the cut and uncut stock linkage, as well as the after market one.
  • bam-bambam-bam Council Member
    On the several that I've done, I used the DA Integra linkage cut to fit. On wagons (if memory serves me) I cut approx 2 3/8" out of both linkages. FWIW, auto and manual shells are the same as far as engine mount positions.

    On my own B wagon, I ran 1st gen Hasport mounts for years, then changed to Avids with the B20 swap. Used the same linkage with no problem.
  • civtec350civtec350 Wagonist
    for 88-91 civics, you would need aftermarket swap linkage. to the best of my knowledge, no usdm b series linkage will fit right. i have a set of stock 90-93 integra linkage that were cut and have threaded rod welded in the middle of each bar to lengthen and adjust as needed. it works nicely.
  • pandawagon91pandawagon91 Band Wagon
    is there any way u could post pictures and give measurements im building a trans and dont want to destroy like i did my first for using the wrong linkage
  • pandawagon91pandawagon91 Band Wagon
    could you please post pictures and measurement PLEASE
  • civtec350civtec350 Wagonist
    the threaded linkage i have was last used on a 99-00 civic with a b series, so the measurement will be off. before that they were on my old 89 civic si with a b series for a while. i can take a picture of the linkage how it is set up now with measurements but it will be different for the 88-91.
  • bam-bambam-bam Council Member
    Here's how to cut your linkage to fit:

    Start with an unaltered setup from a DA Integra

    pick out the spot to cut- where the two tubes are straight and parallel to each other. There's really only one good spot, you'll see it.

    Make an index mark or "lay line" along the bottoms of both tubes so that you'll weld them back in the same orientation. You don't want them twisted.

    Keeping in mind that you'll be removing about 2.5 inches, mark and cut the links in half at one end or the other of the piece you'll be removing.

    Now install both halves of the linkage on the car. Shift lever in place and both links on trans.

    Put the trans in neutral, and the shift lever where neutral should be (centered fore-aft). There's some room for preference here- you can lean the shifter back a bit by shortening the linkage more.

    Have an assistant hold the shift lever where you want it while you go under the car. Now hold the links in place and mark your cut line where they overlap.

    Make that cut, then tack the shortened tubes back together. Pay attention to the lay line you marked earlier to keep from getting twisted. NOTE: it's not absolutely necessary, but I use 3/4"OD stock inside the tubes for reinforcement and orientation. Any 3/4" bolt or tubing or rod will work, just a 3" or so piece to span the cut/weld.

    TEST FIT THE TACKED ASSEMBLY, then remove and finish-weld.

    VOILA! Now you have a linkage custom-fit to your setup.
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