Seat Compatibility

I have a 1988 RT4WD wagon and the guy who I bought it from said that the original seats were torn up so he went to the junk yard and I guess just found what ever seats were the closest match to replace the old seats. He said the seats that are in there now are from an Acura Integra and they look and feel nice but they sit weird. I guess since they are from a sportier car, when your driving your kind of sitting forward and it’s not comfortable. The seats he put in the back aren’t even connected on the top part and if I stop suddenly they come forward and fall over, far from usable and nobody can sit back there.

I want to find some blue wagon seats to replace the front and rear seats but I know it will be hard to find. I also have a 1989 Civic LX sedan and was wondering if either the front or rear seats would work in the wagon? I wouldn’t take them out of the sedan except maybe just to see if they would fit but would locate some in a junk yard as replacements.

One last thing. Since never seeing the wagon in its original state I and looking at a brochure, does the bottom of the rear seat flip up so that the rear top part of the seat can fold down flat? If it does, where can I find the hinge and other parts to make this work?

Current front seats
www.civicwagon.com

Rear seats with large unfitting gap and sound system that came with the car. Cargo.jpg

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  • most seats other than the ones that came stock are uncomfortable. aftermarket sport seats like sparco, momo, bride, etc..forget about it. after a few hrs driving in them, you won't like it.

    it's probably like you said, the way the car height is positioned..it's not made for any other seat.

  • mrwagovan wrote:


    most seats other than the ones that came stock are uncomfortable. aftermarket sport seats like sparco, momo, bride, etc..forget about it. after a few hrs driving in them, you won't like it.

    it's probably like you said, the way the car height is positioned..it's not made for any other seat.


    Do you think Civic sedan seat would fit in a wagon without any modification? I would think the sedan has the closest driving postition of all the Civic models.
  • one of the problems with seat fitment in wagons is the floor pan. the center tunnel is wider than a "normal" Civic's, in order to make room for the driveshaft, etc. this means the inside seat track is actually several centimeters higher than the outside.

    the correct wagon rear seatbacks fasten pretty much directly to the car - that's why those rears don't work: too narrow.

    when i get some time, i'll take some photos of the hinge set up on the seat bottoms (and the bottoms themselves), as they're pulled from the car and shelved in the garage. may be a couple days, though. then you'll at least be able to compare them to a normal Civic.
  • jhota wrote:
    one of the problems with seat fitment in wagons is the floor pan. the center tunnel is wider than a "normal" Civic's, in order to make room for the driveshaft, etc. this means the inside seat track is actually several centimeters higher than the outside.

    the correct wagon rear seatbacks fasten pretty much directly to the car - that's why those rears don't work: too narrow.

    when i get some time, i'll take some photos of the hinge set up on the seat bottoms (and the bottoms themselves), as they're pulled from the car and shelved in the garage. may be a couple days, though. then you'll at least be able to compare them to a normal Civic.

    Yeah I forgot about the hump in the middle. I guess I could always take one of the seats out of the sedan just to see if it would fit or not.

    I can kind of see the hinges in the parts picture from www.slhondaparts.com

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  • SiWagonSiWagon Council Member
    alupso 1
    I guess since they are from a sportier car, when your driving your kind of sitting forward and it’s not comfortable.

    Even the OEM 1's are like that just tilt it back a notch or 2.

    As far as your rear seats they look great.

    alupso 1
    ...does the bottom of the rear seat flip up so that the rear top part of the seat can fold down flat?

    Yes they fold flat.On the Wgn they came 60/40 & 1 piece (like above pic).

    alupso 1
    The seats he put in the back aren’t even connected on the top part and if I stop suddenly they come forward and fall over, far from usable and nobody can sit back there.

    Looks like all you have to do is get the seat to latch?From ur pics it looks like it lines-up.
  • this may help a little:

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    see the circled areas? that's where the stock 60/40 seat mounts.

    there's a pin on the seat back that plugs into the socket circled on the right. the back then slides toward the opposite side of the car, allowing the pin circled on the left to insert into it. then, there is a plastic clip that clips around the right side pin, preventing the back from sliding the other way.

    circled at the front is the location where the hinge for the bottoms bolts in.

    i think the problem with his seats is that the backs are too narrow at the base, preventing them from attatching to the pins. without the bottoms tied into place, the latches can't prevent them from flopping around.
  • SiWagon wrote:
    alupso 1
    I guess since they are from a sportier car, when your driving your kind of sitting forward and it’s not comfortable.

    Even the OEM 1's are like that just tilt it back a notch or 2.

    I guess what I mean is while your driving you have more of an upright seating position and your back naturally want to be more upright. But with those Integra seats the furthest forward they will go still makes the driving position to far back, if you drive normally your back isn't even touching the back of the seat.

    I let my girlfriend drive the car and I didn't say anything about the seating position and she did the exact same thing, wanting to be more forward then the normal position of the seat will let you. I mentioned it to her while we were driving and she was like "I never noticed".
  • jhota wrote:
    this may help a little:


    see the circled areas? that's where the stock 60/40 seat mounts.

    there's a pin on the seat back that plugs into the socket circled on the right. the back then slides toward the opposite side of the car, allowing the pin circled on the left to insert into it. then, there is a plastic clip that clips around the right side pin, preventing the back from sliding the other way.

    circled at the front is the location where the hinge for the bottoms bolts in.

    i think the problem with his seats is that the backs are too narrow at the base, preventing them from attatching to the pins. without the bottoms tied into place, the latches can't prevent them from flopping around.


    One of the main problems with the rear seats is that they don't really fit at all. If you look at the car they look great but truthfully only the bottom part of the seat is really connected and the two top parts are really only "placed" there and aren't really attached at all.

    The guy before me was able to secure the bottom part of the seat somehow but for the top parts he made two flimsy brackets to hold the seats on the out edges but they really never held the seat in and have since fallen off.

    Basically the top part of the rear seat aren't connected to anything at all and I might just take them out and just put one big piece of fabric back there to cover the bottom of the rear seat and the cargo area until I can find a new seat. I was looking on www.car-parts.com and think I might have found a back seat for a wagon but the problem is finding all the hinges and brackets.

    jhota pretty much got it right, none of the attaching points match up with the Integra seats so they just kind of flop around back there.
  • SiWagonSiWagon Council Member
    Are the front seats in the 1st notch?
  • SiWagon wrote:
    Are the front seats in the 1st notch?

    Yes, they are as forward as they can go.
  • SiWagonSiWagon Council Member
    :x The prob with your front seats are that the last owner mounted the seats to the floor w/the Teg rails instead of to the Wgn rails.The front mount points are higher.Depending on how high u need 2 go in the rear a stack of washers(or spacer) & longer bolts might do it.


    Does the rear seat latch in at all?
  • SiWagon wrote:
    :x The prob with your front seats are that the last owner mounted the seats to the floor w/the Teg rails instead of to the Wgn rails.The front mount points are higher.Depending on how high u need 2 go in the rear a stack of washers(or spacer) & longer bolts might do it.


    Does the rear seat latch in at all?

    OOOH that's a good idea, I would have never thought of just putting washers under there to raise the seat up a little. That might actually work until I can find some more wagon seats.

    No the rear seats are useless, don't latch, doesn't stay in place and aren't connected in anyway.

    Thanks SiWagon
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