(URGENT) Oxbeards running list of engine problems (NO FUEL)

i had just gotten off the highway yesterday, after i pulled away from the red light the car just died and now it cranks but doesnt start.
what are some things this could be and how can i diagnose it?
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  • bam-bambam-bam Council Member
    Timing belt
    rotor button/distributor
    main relay
    fuel pump

    Check all fuses first

    Take off the distributor cap. Have someone turn the engine over. Rotor turning? If no, timing belt.

    Rotor tight on shaft? Put the cap back on, pull a plug, ground it and turn the engine over while looking for spark. got spark? Ignition OK. No spark? Try a known good distributor if you can access one.

    Turn the key from off to on position, listen for click of main relay behind the dash above the hood release, then faint hum of fuel pump priming. Hear it? fuel pump/relay probably Ok. No click? Main relay. Click, but no hum? Fuel pump.
  • stampernstampern Senior Wagonist
    Only thing I would do before pulling the distributor cap off is pull the valve cover and make sure the timing belt is tight and not broken. Safer than turning the motor over and chancing doing more damage if broken. Either way works though. Technically if it is broken the damage is pretty much done already, so up to you.
  • thanks for the suggestions. heres what i did before i read the replies.

    i checked for spark, all were sparking... seemed a little weak but ive never checked it before so i have nothing to compare it to.
    i sprayed starting fluid down the top of the intake. and still it turns over but wont fire. i also opened the oil cap and looked through it to the springs, cranked it, they are moving... im stumped

    would i hear a clattering noise if the timing belt slipped?
  • dammit this sucks... ive only been driving the car for 4 days and its possible i need a new engine...
    im thinking timing belt
    anyone in the dfw area wanna help a fellow wagonist out on getting me running again? :D :D :D!
  • bam-bambam-bam Council Member
    any CEL? If you're sparking and the valves are moving, your timing belt is still there, may be out of time, though. In fact, if it didn't hit on Ether that may be the case. Pull the valve cover off and check static timing.
    When you turn it over, does it sound hinky? Like faster than normal, or jerky?
  • hmm didnt really seem faster than normal or jerky but i did notice the engine shakin quite a bit while it was cranking.
    what are the chances that if i slap a new belt on everything will be fine?
  • bam-bambam-bam Council Member
    It's possible.

    Check timing first.

    Valve cover off. Upper timing cover off.
    Cyl #1 @ TDC, compression stroke (both valves closed/rockers loose)

    Crank pulley should be at TDC mark
    Cam pulley should have marks level with the head/VC surface, with "UP" on top
  • realtimefunrealtimefun Senior Wagonist
    make sure the timein belt is on and marks are lined up.
    pull all the plugs and do a compression test.

    tray a known good dizz.
    try a known good main relay.
  • ok cool. how would i be able to tell if any damage was done?
  • bam-bambam-bam Council Member
    Well, once you know it's timed correctly, a compression test will tell the tale.
  • thanks dudes. the car is at my parents house 45 mins away from mine... ill see if i can get over there and check that tomorrow. prepare for more questions lol
  • I'm usually do the beer department...
    you dont need me...
    uh?
    :mrgreen:
  • woohoo! fixed my car today. i looked up this guy on craigslist "HONDA MIKE" haha he came over and took a look at it. after doing all the same things i did, we took off the distributor cap and found the rotor button had melted. i guess enough that it moved its position enough to where it wasnt firing at the right time. he came to my house and fixed it and only charged $45 bucks... SHIT YEA lol im back on the road
  • i started my car today and the check engine light came on. its running like crap now. i had to limp it home from work.
    last problem was the rotor button melted... then after that was replaced i can hear the distributor making a scraping noise. bearings. so i ordered a whole new distributor.
    hopefully that should be the fix.

    while im waiting on that to arrive, how would i find out what the check engine light is for?
  • HaydzHaydz Moderator
    ECU codes and what they really mean

    Lift carpet in passenger footwell and count flashes from LED light in middle of gold coloured cover.
  • i put the new distributor on today. runs so much better!
    i couldnt even turn the old one after i got it off.
  • car died on the way home from work. pushed it off into a parking lot and realized how out of shape i am lol
    anyway. i took the dist. cap off my brand new dizzy and found the coil was melted at the contact point.
    and the contact was melted into the cap. i replaced cap and coil and its fine now... BUT! wtf? why would this happen?

    anyone know what would cause this on a brand new distributor?
  • charge...

    crappy resistor somewhere...

    dunno

    :mrgreen:
  • no ideas? im just hoping not to burn out the coil i just bought because it was another $82
  • C-ratZC-ratZ New Wagonist
    was there no warranty on the brand new dizzy?
  • haha... no... damn autozone
  • changed cables and caps(spark) also...
    correct sparkplugs...
    timings...
    mixture..
    distributorcap..

    the list goes on mang...

    :mrgreen:
  • HaydzHaydz Moderator
    oxbeard wrote:
    haha... no... damn autozone

    You saying its legal for them to sell something without a warranty on it?
  • changed cables and caps(spark) also...
    correct sparkplugs...
    timings...
    mixture..
    distributorcap..

    the list goes on mang...

    :mrgreen:

    ok ill start at the top. i havent changed the wires or plugs yet. so i might as well.

    i read the previous post wrong... i got the dizzy on ebay lol. so no help there. but i got the coil from autozone and asked about a warranty and they said noooope no warranty.
  • SiWagonSiWagon Council Member
    :? This has been a interesting thread.

    What's causing the coil to torch things?Before u buy new wires.Get a VOM meter to check the resistance .It should not exceed 25,000 ohms according to Honda.

    I think you might be overclocking the coil.Check the following:
    1)spark plug gap(too big a gap is bad)
    2)plug wires firmly on the plugs & cap.

    :arrow: What might be happening is there is a big gap somewhere between the coil & plugs that the coil is trying to ramp up & jump causing the coil to overheat melting the contact point & rotor.
  • sooooo i was changing the spark plugs and wires today... and i broke off the boot of the wire down inside the spark plug hole...
    i tried with a long screw driver to get it out. then a coat hanger with a hook bent at the end of it...
    i managed to pull a chunk of it out but i cant seem to get the rest out.

    HOW THE SHIT DO I GET IT OUT!! ??? lol

    ill be trying again tomorrow, it was getting dark
  • Is there too much of the spark plug boot there to get the spark plug socket wrench on the plug? Just unscrew the spark plug and work in it on your workbench.
  • yea i tried to get the socket on it. no go
  • metal <--> magnet...

    or high compression air...

    wear safety...

    :mrgreen:
  • it seems while trying to get it out with the coat hanger ive shredded it into pieces...
    im about to duct tape a straw to the end of my vacuum and try that lol
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