Removing the 4wd from the wagovan

gamble-did-itgamble-did-it Band Wagon
in Engine & Drivetrain
Well, I removed the engine and tranny, and noticed that the 4wd tranny, along with the driveshaft etc is super heavy. I would like to know if it is possible to convert it using an 88-91 srx s1 cable tranny. Using the existing half shaft, and the axels left over after removing the 4wd transmission. I know that I will need to get the rear disc conversion from an 88-91 civic, or a 90-93 integra. On the flip side. When I remove the rear differential, will the rear of the vehicle be okay? Please provide some info. Thanks. Also what is a fair price to sell the 4wd system? Thanks again.

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  • teamolsteamols New Wagonist
    there are a few post of guys doing it. you have to cut the hole for the shifter and resize the fwd shift rods, you have to shim under the trans mount to reach the bracket on the passsenger side.the rear trailing arms will go on wtih know big problems and u do not need the rear diff.you can even use your rear trailing arms along with the outer cv joint as a time saver.there is more but nothing that is very difficult. good luck man. i have a chipped tooth in my transfer case. can u sell me your transfer case?i will give you my good case and cash.thanks.
  • SiWagonSiWagon Council Member
    teamols wrote:
    ... have to shim under the trans mount to reach the bracket on the passsenger side.

    NOT true.You just need the 2WD trans mount.
    gamble-did-it wrote:
    Using the existing half shaft, and the axels left over after removing the 4wd transmission. .

    NOT true.You'll need the driver's side 2WD axle.
    gamble-did-it wrote:
    I know that I will need to get the rear disc conversion from an 88-91 civic, or a 90-93 integra.

    NOT that easy.The Major prob is that the Wgn LCA(meant trailing arm) is longer & the Teg is too long.It's NOT a easy job.The cheapest way to do it is the way mrwagovan & the dude from angelfire.com(see the link in 2nd posting of the link) did it,BUT it's also the HARDEST to do.Read this link:
    viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2247

    Thatdoodlehas a Rear disc kit,but it's $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.Cost over TWO Thousand DOLLAR$ by the time you're done.NJCIVICWAGON1 sells the kit for Thatdoodle.
    gamble-did-it wrote:
    When I remove the rear differential, will the rear of the vehicle be okay? Please provide some info. Thanks.

    Yes.Thatdoodle has a 4WD kit too,but I think there's NO prevision for the splash shield.Then you won't need a 2WD Wgn LCA(meant trailing arm) .
  • JakerJaker familEE
    SiWagon wrote:
    NOT true.You just need the 2WD trans mount.
    Incorrect. The manual 4WD chassis has a different mount welded to the unibody in that location. The 2wd and the 4WD auto have the same mount. The 4WD manual has a different mount. teamols is correct, you'll need to shim the motor mount to reach higher by about 1", or cut off the existing mount and swap in the shorter one.
    SiWagon wrote:
    The Major prob is that the Wgn LCA is longer & the Teg is too long.It's NOT a easy job.The cheapest way to do it is the way mrwagovan & the dude from angelfire.com(see the link in 2nd posting of the link) did it,BUT it's also the HARDEST to do.Read this link:
    viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2247

    The 4WD Wagon uses the exact same rear LCA as the 2WD Wagon. I can't confirm for sure what was said about the Integra LCA, but I'm pretty sure it is the same length as all the Civic ones from 1988 to 1995 and all the Integra ones from 1990 to 2001. The issue you'll have when trying to do the disc conversion is the trailing arm. The Wagon has the bastard long trailing arms. This is the only North American application that has these trailing arms. The CRV has the same style arms, but I have not done a close up comparison to be certain that they are the same. Both the 2WD and the 4WD Wagon use these longer arms.

    EDIT - Yup, I was right. Skunk2 list the exact same part for all those applications:

    http://www.skunk2.com/mm5/merchant.mvc? ... 42-05-0105


    gamble-did-it wrote:
    When I remove the rear differential, will the rear of the vehicle be okay? Please provide some info. Thanks.
    SiWagon wrote:
    Yes.Thatdoodle has a 4WD kit too,but I think there's NO prevision for the splash shield.Then you won't need a 2WD Wgn LCA.

    You will need to keep the outer joints from the rear driveshafts and the axle nuts, as the bearing/hub assembly is held together by this axle stub/nut combination. Eiher that, or you would need to swap out the 4WD trailing arms for the 2WD ones. Remember though, that it has to be Wagon arms, as they are longer than the other Civic and Integra arms.
  • SiWagonSiWagon Council Member
    SiWagon wrote:
    NOT true.You just need the 2WD trans mount.
    Jaker wrote:
    Incorrect. ... The 4WD manual has a different mount. you'll need to shim the motor mount to reach higher by about 1", or cut off the existing mount and swap in the shorter one.

    :? NOPE ! When you guys unbolted the mtr mount you FORGOT to unbolt the brkt between that mount & the tranny.It's about a 1"(25mm) thick made of stamped steel.

    :oops: As far as the LCA.What I meant was trailing arm in which case we're both right.
  • JakerJaker familEE
    There's a few of us on here that have been around Hondas for a bunch of years now (25 years now for me), and have done this very conversion (well the opposite for me). I know for a fact that the mount that is spot welded to the chassis on the passenger side of the engine compartment is different on the 4WD manual transmission car. I also know for a fact that the one on the FWD (both manual and automatic) as well as the 4WD auto have the same part number. If you doubt what I'm saying, look up the part numbers.

    Here are pics of what I'm talking about:

    FWD/4WD auto mount:

    353.jpg

    4WD manual mount:

    352.jpg

    Also, you post says something about the Teg trailing arms being too damn long. Well they are actually the exact same length as the other Civic and Integra trailing arms, all except for the Wagon of course.
  • teamolsteamols New Wagonist
    yep i saw a pic of the mount being shimmed by 1" dowels.and i used ef hatch rear trailing arms on a previous rt4wd project. the pic is on this site.hmmmmm
  • SiWagonSiWagon Council Member
    teamols wrote:
    i used ef hatch rear trailing arms on a rt4wd project.hmmmmm
    Jaker wrote:
    Well they are actually the exact same length as the other Civic and Integra trailing arms, all except the Wagon of course.

    Jaker's right about the trailing arms.

    I'm NOT disagreeing with either one of you(Jaker & teamols),but all that is needed is the brkt between the mount & tranny.Yes the dowels will work.Why spend time making the dowels when there's a ready made Honda brkt?
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