Engine replacement cost vs rebuild

Bluebell needs a new engine, or to have her engine rebuilt -- blew a cylinder somewhere along the way after doing so much commuting up I5/99 and back again for 3 years. Anyway. I don't have the time or skills to DIY so I'm looking for some good old consumer advice from my wago-pals.

The local shop is telling me a remanufactured engine replacement will cost me $5,760 (wow). If they drop in a low miles used engine instead, $3,500 with a 6 month warranty. I asked about JDM and what if I could supply an engine drop shipped to them, and they said that would save me a thousand, so that would be about $2,500. All the above quotes include labor, parts, etc. But, if I'm going to spend more than I spent on the car in the first place, I'd rather get some performance out of it at least. :) And we didn't even go there, these quotes were just for putting the new engine and and making everything shiny.

I don't have a quote for the rebuild option yet. But do these costs seem out of line for a shop? I was expecting the cost to be about half what they quoted me.

TIA
Jenny

Comments

  • wagodizzlewagodizzle Council Member and EDM expert
    damn. you can get replacement engines from tigerjapanese.com for $375 with about 45,000 miles or less. took me about 6 hours to replace my engine when i jacked it up, thats with a basic set of socket wrenches and NO power tools.

    get your boyfriend/husband to do it =)
  • 89rtmama89rtmama New Wagonist
    I'm sure he would help, actually ... especially if it would save us that much money. :) Thanks for the tip on tigerjapanese.com, I hadn't found them before. $375 plus a lot of gruntwork sounds sweet, especially compared to $2500+. I probably do have the skills to do it, really, just not the physical strength -- that's where the DH comes in. I can build a PC so I can build a car, but a PC is a lot smaller. :) A few months back I replaced the starter, but he had to help me wrench off the steering wheel. It was pretty fun.

    Jenny
  • wagodizzlewagodizzle Council Member and EDM expert
    let us know what happens!
  • wagodizzle wrote:
    let us know what happens!
    x2
    pics would be nice
    :mrgreen:
  • bam-bambam-bam Council Member
    Don't we have some other wagonistas in Vancouver area? Somebody get over there and help mama!
  • skinnyskinny Senior Wagonist
    If you do the tear down and re assembly then a rebuild is the way to go, as long as your sleeves arnt fuc*ed. If your just wanting a new motor a swap is a better choice. I like the rebuild idea but not everyone can do it/ has to tools. With a rebuild you can source used parts and make a frankenstien motor. Like A1 slugs...MMMmmm A1=high comp :D
  • bam-bambam-bam Council Member
    The rebuild is my choice, but not the cheapest: I paid about $330 for a kit to do pebbles' d15b2. That included all gaskets, rod and main inserts, piston rings, timing belt, and oil pump. Added a TB tensioner ($60 i think?) a new clutch set ($115) new axle seals ($15)... I forget what-all. Let's say another $150-200 for fluids, filters, plugs, hoses, pcv valve, cap, rotor etc etc. I know I spent upwards of $700 on parts, the only labor I didn't do myself was surfacing the flywheel ($18).

    I would say I EASILY had 20 hours of my labor in it...multiply that by your shop's labor rate and you start to see where they're coming from.
  • bam-bambam-bam Council Member
    All that being said, get a used jdm engine and pay the local ricer kid a hundy to put it in.
  • SohcpowaSohcpowa New Wagonist
    I live in kent and ive done 20+ sohc engine replacements, lmk id love to help :)
  • NZ-DB8RNZ-DB8R Moderator
    One plus of rebuilding the engine is that you know exactly what sort of state its in, buying a engine you could end up with one that could implode a week, a month, a year down the track.

    I am considering doing a Vtec Dseries engine swap/rebuild. I can rebuild it myself and a mate gets parts at trade cost. But prices wont matter o you as im on the otherside of the world :lol: (and i can get a Vtec D15 or D16 for like $100 in ok condition, like $250 will get me a mint one)
  • HaydzHaydz Moderator
    Don't try and slap them in the face too much.



    Ahh heck. $250 NZD is around $130 USD. :P
  • 89rtmama wrote:
    A few months back I replaced the starter, but he had to help me wrench off the steering wheel. It was pretty fun.
    I loved working on my Beetle with my wife. One of the reasons I married her was because she wasn't afraid to get dirty and help out.

    Family projects are the best.
  • stephenstephen Senior Wagonist
    I got my d16y7 with <100k on the odo for about $500 which included the guy helping me install it and necessary parts/fluids. I agree with Bam Bam:
    bam-bam wrote:
    All that being said, get a used jdm engine and pay the local ricer kid a hundy to put it in.
  • bro if you love to get dirty and know what youre doing i suggest you go rebuild especially if you have friends to help you out. if not just buy a jap surplus and put it in. just my 0.02 c



    wagon.................4ever...........................
  • bam-bambam-bam Council Member
    I don't think 89rtmama, whose name appears to be Jenny, is a "bro" :lol:
  • curtcurt Wagonist
    I bought my used jdm sohc zc from hmotorsonline.com
  • bam-bam wrote:
    I don't think 89rtmama, whose name appears to be Jenny, is a "bro" :lol:


    ay Dios mio.................my bad. i didnt mean to.

    again my apologies mama



    wagon....................4ever...................
  • oilspotoilspot Wagonist
    My thoughts on JDM motors....

    if i knew I was going to have to replace my engine at 40,000 miles or whatever it is I....
    ..... would do a burnout leaving the showroom floor
    ..... beat the shit out of the motor on a daily basis
    ..... would never change the oil
    ..... and beat the shit out of the motor some more
  • fettcolsfettcols Wagonist
    oilspot wrote:
    My thoughts on JDM motors....

    if i knew I was going to have to replace my engine at 40,000 miles or whatever it is I....
    ..... would do a burnout leaving the showroom floor
    ..... beat the shit out of the motor on a daily basis
    ..... would never change the oil
    ..... and beat the shit out of the motor some more


    Drive like a rental car... $30 a day and the burnouts are free...


    I would say, take a good look at the car and set your budget first. Then decide if a used, jdm, rebuild or remanufactured engine would fit your budget.

    Then add a couple hundred more to your budget because something else ususally will need replaced too no matter what way you go with it.
  • 89rtmama89rtmama New Wagonist
    ZOMG Ponies!!! You guys are all so sweet and helpful. (OK now everybody knows I'm girl, right??? ;) LOL

    hmotorsonline.com <-- will check that one out, I haven't seen it yet

    I'm still figuring out what to do. I definitely like the idea of buying whatever I can afford and having the local ricer throw it in ... we were walking down the street the other day and there was a guy with an old Civic and the hood up, he looked like he knew what he was doing, just some random college kid, but I was Oh So Tempted to just stop and say Hey, wanna work on mine too? :) There are at least 5 other wago's in town. Somebody around here has to want to throw an engine in Bluebell.

    As for pics, I'd be too embarrassed -- she's in sad, sad shape. The left side mirror had an unfortunate incident with a deer shortly before the engine died, and I figure I shouldn't bother with fixing that until I know I'm going to be able to drive her again. (Fixed it with a $7 replacement glass from the local auto parts shop & good old electrical tape, hasn't fallen off or even budged, but looks like s**t.) And the hatch hinge went all wonky during last winter's snow, so the hatch is held "closed" (I use the term advisedly) with a bungy cord, which is covered with a plastic grocery bag because the last bungy cord disintegrated in the rain.

    Anyway, y'all, thanks for weighing in. If the auto shop would actually fix the engine that's already in it, I'd be up for that, but they only offered to rebuild or replace it. (And I'm sure you can understand why. It's an old car. Still, even if they had quoted me a high price, I would have rather heard just about anything other than, "Nah, it's just too old, we won't work on it.") (My dad told me there's another shop in town that says they won't work on any car older than 1995, isn't that crazy? Especially in a college town. Half the cars I see are older than that.)

    That's it for now, still saving my pennies. I sold my iMac for a little spare change but then bought my son a bike for his birthday (no, that didn't cost the WHOLE price of the iMac, but it was a fair chunk of it). By next month I'll be able to do something about this, I hope. I am sooooo tired of driving my hubby's subaru ... it's a good car, but it's not my Bluebell.
  • SiWagonSiWagon Council Member
    Try to find one of the JDM engine importers in your area.Vancouver is large & is bold to have a JDM engine importer.Ask some ricers.A lot of times they even install.My guess is they could install for around $1200-$2000.
  • wagodizzlewagodizzle Council Member and EDM expert
    any local guys from this forum in your area? they need to go out and spend an afternoon working on Bluebell for you.
    come on guys, where are you??
  • hmotorsonline.com bar none. Order from someone else and get a boat anchor.

    Good luck on the swap!
  • eh3eh3 New Wagonist
    Is that Vancouver, Washington? Or, BC?
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