Wheels - what will fit?

White&NerdyWhite&Nerdy Senior Wagonist
in Suspension, Braking & Wheels
Since I just had to do a fair bit of research to determine that a set of VW alloys will fit my wagon (and, therefore, I'm going to buy them), I thought it might be good for us to put our heads together and come up with a list of wheels from other cars that will fit our wagons. Eventually, I can put all the data together and maybe a mod would be kind enough to sticky it.

Why, you ask? Well, a great way to put a set of distinctive "aftermarket" wheels on your car for dirt cheap is to put on a set of OEM wheels for another model, or even make. They make your Civic look different, yet are cheap and easy to get since they're stock on other cars. Civic wagons (FWD as well as RT4WD) use the very common 4x100 bolt pattern. So certain wheels from Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Saturn, VW, and even BMW become an option. Some of these come in sizes larger than stock for our wagons. For example, I've autocrossed on a set of 15" OEM alloys from an early 90s Saturn SL2. Perfect fit, yet an inch bigger than the RT4WD stock 14s, and 2" bigger than the FWD stock 13s.

So anyway, I'll start us off with this list. I stole it from http://www.miata.net/faq/wheel_weights.html#bolt , since Miatas also use a 4x100 bolt pattern. BUT, I've modified it to remove wheels that I know for a fact will NOT work on a Civic. Miata alloys, for instance. Their centerbores are smaller than the Civic's hub, and therefore will not fit properly. (Which is a bummer, since they're among the lightest 14" wheels you can get, aftermarket or otherwise!) I'm also not sure of the offsets and/or centerbores of some of these, so I'll leave them on the list until someone can prove otherwise, at which point I'll remove them.

Acura
- Integra (except Type R)

BMW
- E30 (except M3)
- E21
- E12

Dodge
- Colt (93+)
- Neon base model (only 95, maybe? All 1st gen Neons I recall are 5-lug)

Honda (duh :) )
- Accord (82-89)
- Civic (80+)
- CRX
- Del Sol
- Prelude (82-91)

Isuzu
- Impulse
- Stylus

Mitsubishi
- Mirage

Nissan
- NX (91-93)
- Sentra
- 200 SX (89+, US Sentra clones only)
- Pulsar (87-90)
- Sunny
- Almera up to 2000

Saturn
- S-series cars (SL, SC, SW)
- Ion

Subaru
- Justy

Suzuki
- Esteem

Toyota
- Celica (86-91) except All-trac
- Paseo
- Tercel
- Echo

Volkswagen
- Golf/Jetta (A1/A2/A3 chassis EXCEPT VR6 models and Golf 3 2.0 16v)
- Cabriolet
- Scirocco

Legend
GREEN: Has been test fitted and works perfectly
ORANGE: Think it will work, but have no test fit data
RED: Don't know if it'll work or not
If it won't work, it's not on the list! :P

Like I said, this list is a starting point from the list on Miata.net. Right now I've color coded the listings according to my personal knowledge and experience. I'm sure there will be some errors and omissions in the current version. With your help, we can correct those and give ourselves a pretty darn comprehensive list of wheels that'll fit.
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Comments

  • evol911evol911 familEE
    Nice!! STICKY THIS!!!
  • spicybasilspicybasil New Wagonist
    nissan 200sx rwd are 114. 88 and below
  • White&NerdyWhite&Nerdy Senior Wagonist
    siamwagon wrote:
    nissan 200sx rwd are 114. 88 and below

    There was a 200SX that *wasn't* simply a rebadged 2-door Sentra? I know the 240SX is a totally different beast.

    I updated the listing - thanks!
  • HameltjeHameltje Band Wagon
    In the US u got a 2 door sentra since 95 and later that Nissan called a 200sx(b14 chassis).

    Euro 200sx's are on s13 or s14 rwd chassis like the US 240sx models with 114 pattern.

    Nissan stock nx, sentra, pulsar, sunny, almera up to -'00 models wheels will work. I believe they have an offset of 35-40 and a centerbore of 59,1 mm.

    VW golf/jetta 1,2,3 except vr6 and golf 3 2.0 16v engined will work to. They have stock wheels with offset of 33-45 or something and a centerbore of 57,1 mm.

    And there are a lot of euro cars with 4x100 bolt pattern like most seat, renault, opel/vauxhall models
  • genedaddygenedaddy Wagonist
    i have a set of bmw wheels that fit nice, post is in new user with discussion (and pics) as to whether or not they are from the e21 or e30. i believe final conclussion was e21.
  • curtcurt Wagonist
    i have a 88 celica alltrac the rims are 5 lug so no go on alltrac models
  • White&NerdyWhite&Nerdy Senior Wagonist
    Just updated the list with all this info. Genedaddy, those are definitely E21 alloys. They're exactly what my 320i came with. :lol:
  • lucskywalkerlucskywalker Wagonist
    lots of wheels fit but you have to take concideration of the centerbore of coarse if its to small it wont go on toyota 4x100 is smaller than honda and if its to big you will get the horrible wheel shake very annoying and dangerous! you can get custom hub rings but not for all size's. offsets are also important 32-45 ive used with success. rolling fenders and over fenders will let you wide'n and lower the offsets. staggerd rims are all the rage right now but keep in mind they are for rear wheel drive (personaly i think they look rediculous on an ff) but to each is own and they do make a simulated staggerd look wheel with the proper offsets. but since it seems we are talking oem style rims the center bore is very important. :wink:
  • ragenasianragenasian Moderator
    Wheels do not have to be hubcentric. I have never and I mean NEVER had a problem with wheel shake due to the center bore being too large and I have had at least 50 sets of aftermarket and stock rims. I have had many Opel, VW, and BMW wheels on my little wagon and my numerous other hondas without issue.

    Of course hubcentric is the safest way to go but not necessary if the wheels are tightened down properly and properly balanced.
  • lucskywalkerlucskywalker Wagonist
    ragenasian wrote:
    Wheels do not have to be hubcentric. I have never and I mean NEVER had a problem with wheel shake due to the center bore being too large and I have had at least 50 sets of aftermarket and stock rims. I have had many Opel, VW, and BMW wheels on my little wagon and my numerous other hondas without issue.

    Of course hubcentric is the safest way to go but not necessary if the wheels are tightened down properly and properly balanced.

    id love to agree, ive heard many say they have no problem at all, ive allways had this problem and am asked all the time if we sell hub rings this size. we will balance, torque bolts to spec, put new tires on even check run out on the rims! but soon as you put those ring in there its smooth as glass. maybie the brand tire? weight of the said rim? possibly the car needs new poly bushing set (ive still had this happen after that) i just dont know. i do know it is 50/50 chance 8) i agree 50% :D
  • White&NerdyWhite&Nerdy Senior Wagonist
    I've also never had any problems using wheels with larger centerbores than stock on any car I've had. Just my experience, though, and I do torque my wheels to spec, which I recommend everyone do anyway.

    But yeah, I removed some listings from the original Miata.net list even before posting it here for that very reason. Miata, AW11 MR2, Ford Escort/Mercury Tracer, Mazda Protege - all those cars have wheels with centerbores too small to fit a Civic. And those are just the ones I know off the top of my head.
  • ragenasianragenasian Moderator
    For those EURO guys I do know that Opel, BMW, and VW 4x100 wheels fit too as I have had all on my wagon at one point.
  • White&NerdyWhite&Nerdy Senior Wagonist
    If you guys outside the U.S. want to post makes and/or models of cars we don't have in the States (Opel, etc.) whose wheels will fit, I'll add them to the list. I don't know what Opel models came with 4x100 wheels, for example.
  • stephenstephen Senior Wagonist
    instead of not listing wheels like the miata alloys, list them with an asterisk that states "wheel will work with boring"

    revmaynard for example has mr2 wheels that worked with boring....
  • White&NerdyWhite&Nerdy Senior Wagonist
    Hmm, that's a thought. I knew someone on a Saturn forum who successfully put Miata alloys on his SC2 for track use by boring the center hole out. Worked perfectly - I've seen it in person, and if they didn't fall off while lapping Gingerman Raceway it must work well enough. :lol:

    I think I'll compile a different list, "Will work with modification," for those, to keep them clearly seperate them from the "bolt-on" list. Thanks for the suggestion!
  • ThinkFabThinkFab Wagonist
    the early prelude wheels do fit, i had those on the gold rt4wd wagon not long after i bought it.
  • White&NerdyWhite&Nerdy Senior Wagonist
    Updated - thanks for confirming!
  • judebertjudebert familEE
    http://www.discountedwheelwarehouse.com/Vehicle_Bolt_Pattern_Reference.cfm supposedly shows offset, center bore, and other data for a lot of OEM wheels. I found it on another forum while trying to figure out what "centerbore" was.
  • White&NerdyWhite&Nerdy Senior Wagonist
    Awesome! Now I, or someone, just needs to look at every single car and see whose specs match a Civic wagon... :)
  • JayPee_incJayPee_inc Band Wagon
    This thread would be way better if wheel sizes were shown if they would fit. for example ... 16x6.5 +30

    just my opinion. cuz im not going to go out looking for stock wheels from other cars, im looking for something at shops and honda-tech where all i know is the size of the wheels that fit.
  • ragenasianragenasian Moderator
    JayPee_inc wrote:
    This thread would be way better if wheel sizes were shown if they would fit. for example ... 16x6.5 +30

    just my opinion. cuz im not going to go out looking for stock wheels from other cars, im looking for something at shops and honda-tech where all i know is the size of the wheels that fit.

    Then this is the wrong thread for you. This is for the "stock" oem wheels that you aren't looking for.
  • wago_90wago_90 Wagonist
    would anything from an audi work found some sweet msw gold mesh with chrome lip for 140 i think the bolt pattern said 4x108
    i tried searching to see anything on fitment but came up with nothing any help?
  • ragenasianragenasian Moderator
    Wagons are 4x100 not 4x108. You can probably get them to fit but you will need to find the correct rings to make them hubcentric and then get special lug nuts to lock them down. There are also shops that can fill, and redrill to the correct bolt pattern but at that point it might not be very cost effective.
  • wago_90wago_90 Wagonist
    so found a set of these on CL and the guy doesn't have an actual pic of condition yet
    but he said they came off his e30 along with all the other parts he is selling
    and i have read that e30 fits but all i see is bottle caps
    would these basket weaves work as well
    or would there be fitment issues
    they are 4 lug 14x6.5
    but not sure if its 4x100
    plus he only wants 65 for the set so if these would work then i would have some decent shoes till i get more cash




  • MrWhoopeeMrWhoopee Wagonist
    Try this link, lists many (most, all?) stock wheels with 4x100 bolt pattern. Note that the Honda wheels have a 56.1mm center bore, some others are smaller and would have to be bored.

    http://www.roadkillcustoms.com/hot-rods ... readMM=100
  • NZ-DB8RNZ-DB8R Moderator
    Yea this thread is over a year old
  • MrWhoopeeMrWhoopee Wagonist
    I thought the purpose of a sticky was to keep useful info available even if there is no activity on the thread. No?
  • NZ-DB8RNZ-DB8R Moderator
    Sorry, missed that it was in the quick links, do carry on :D
  • sentiplumsentiplum Band Wagon
    Hameltje wrote:
    In the US u got a 2 door sentra since 95 and later that Nissan called a 200sx(b14 chassis).

    Euro 200sx's are on s13 or s14 rwd chassis like the US 240sx models with 114 pattern.

    Nissan stock nx, sentra, pulsar, sunny, almera up to -'00 models wheels will work. I believe they have an offset of 35-40 and a centerbore of 59,1 mm.

    VW golf/jetta 1,2,3 except vr6 and golf 3 2.0 16v engined will work to. They have stock wheels with offset of 33-45 or something and a centerbore of 57,1 mm.

    And there are a lot of euro cars with 4x100 bolt pattern like most seat, renault, opel/vauxhall models
    I didnt know that euro cars have the same patterns, I though they are so unique from each other. Does this mean renault parts and others are also easy to find?
  • AintGotNoSolAintGotNoSol Wagonist
    Just a bit of info to help out...

    I used to have a 91 Celica GT (not the All-Trac, just a GT) and it had 5-lug hubs. I'm pretty sure the GT and the GT-S were both 5-lug during that generation. I believe just the Base model and the ST/STS and maybe the STX trim had the 4 lug hubs.
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