Wagon Dead...new issue

Dead_BunnyDead_Bunny Wagonist
in Engine & Drivetrain
Lets see, how do I start this off....well here we go.

Earlier tonight I drove over to the gas station before heading off on a trip.
i put plus gas in the tank, full.

roughly 23 miles away going 55mph my car starts to act funny, I give it a little gas, and it almost acts as if it's out of gear, then i try again, and the car cuts out on me completely!

well I pull over and try to start back up...to no avail has it started up, I had it toed back to my house...

here is a video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6cAtRi5E_w

What you may not be able to hear is that there is a slight "thurrp" sound every few turn overs...

Any help or comments would be awesome
Thanks!

Comments

  • SweetOhSweetOh Wagonist
    Umm i thinking its the timeing belt or cam shaft broke, Umm pull off the valve cover and check the belt.
    Once you have the valve cover off and IF the belt still intact. I would crank it over a fiew time and look and see if the arms and camshaft is moving. If not its a broken cam shaft= Dead Head.

    But looking at the Video there was a ping coming form the motor and that does not sound good. That could be a valve clinking on the piston.
    But this is my best educated guess.
  • lucskywalkerlucskywalker Wagonist
    yea i with sweetoh, that motor just turns over to quikly, no compression, belt must have broken and took out most of your valves, most likely bent them slightly but ya never know, i can say one thine dont keep turning the motor over, youll end up damaging anything left that can be salvaged :cry: just pull the cover and check it, if the belt snaped or cam broke pull the head check the block, pistons for damage, cyls for damage, than way you can decide what to buy. you dont want to over buy, you dont want to under buy. :(
  • JakerJaker familEE
    Relax,

    The belt in my 89 Si hatch let go in 3rd gear at 7,000 rpm once on an on ramp to the freeway. I had it towed home, changed the belt and was back driving wihin 2 hours. I was a courier at the time.

    Yes, your timing belt may have broken, but it may also have lost some teeth. This is what happens a lot of the time. You'll take off the valve cover and timing belt covers, and find that the belt "looks" to still be intact. But where the timing gear is down at the crank, there'll be about 4-5" of belt with no teeth on the inside.

    Before you lose your mind thinking that your motor is FUBAR, put a new belt on and make sure it is perfectlty lined up/timed and try and start it. If your water pump has lots of miles on it, change that while you're in there. If you don't chances are you'll have to start the whole process over again in a couple months when the water pump starts leaking.

    Have a good read through this thread before you start working on your belt if you think you'll need any guidance. Its full of good advice on this process:

    http://www.hondacivicwagon.com/board/vi ... php?t=3968

    and this one:

    http://www.hondacivicwagon.com/board/vi ... php?t=4407
  • Dead_BunnyDead_Bunny Wagonist
    :? it's dead, just checked the timing belt and yup. it was so lose i pushed it over with my finger bleh, chances are my engine is gone.....

    =\ now i either A. part it out, or B. Check the head/valves/block for damage.

    or C. engine swap (wich i dont really have the money for)
  • lucskywalkerlucskywalker Wagonist
    check out tigerjapanese.com the cheapest d-series can be had for 350 shipped depending on where you live shipping will very
  • JakerJaker familEE
    Honestly. Buy a timing belt and put it on. The worst will be you're out the $50 for the belt, and the time to change it. The best is your ride is back in running order.
  • Dead_BunnyDead_Bunny Wagonist
    are the honda D series a none contact engine? (meaning if the belt breaks/lips, the cylinders will not hit the head or valves)
  • alupso1alupso1 Wagonist
    I think I've broke at least two timing belts and was able to just buy a cheap $25 timing belt from the local parts store, put it on and the car started right up and ran fine. It's worth a shot to replace it rather than swap the motor out.
  • suspendedHatchsuspendedHatch Wagonist
    All the Honda/Acura motors that I know of are contact motors.

    But... sometimes you get lucky. You can pull the head off and see if all the valves are seating properly.
  • lucskywalkerlucskywalker Wagonist
    all honda motors are interference motors, great luck to very few that i know of that just slaped a belt on, (had a friend w/ls who did this was fine)
    its worth a try defenitly go with the cheapest route first always, hence you can use these parts at a later time, you have nothing to lose by being thifty, also it helps you learn diy projects one thing at a time. and dont forget the water pump, :)
  • WorldHazardWorldHazard New Wagonist
    i had this exact thing just happen to me. unfortunately my car is in a shop now about 40 miles from where i live.. where i got it towed. the mech is gonna put a new belt on just to see if this could fix it.

    how did this particular story turn out anyway?
  • Dead_BunnyDead_Bunny Wagonist
    :? still sitting in my parents drive way, waiting to be fixed, but i have a huge lack of funds to fix it. I am honestly not experienced enough to change the belt myself.

    which reminds me, i need to get the photo's up of project suzie. she's running!
    (91 ef hatch)
  • jb2wheelsjb2wheels Wagonist
    FWIW - not all Honda engines are interference. The D series are, but the A20s in the 3rd gen Accords are not.
    Good luck with yours.
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