I was messing around with the CR calculator and I figure if I run a 1.5mm head gasket I could get my CR closer to 11.7:1. That should be a little easier to deal with. I think I'll be alright with the build just need to find a reputable tuner around these parts. Anyone know good tune shops around the Portland, Oregon area???
I was messing around with the CR calculator and I figure if I run a 1.5mm head gasket I could get my CR closer to 11.7:1. That should be a little easier to deal with. I think I'll be alright with the build just need to find a reputable tuner around these parts. Anyone know good tune shops around the Portland, Oregon area???
I was using http://www.knology.net/~jediklc/D.htm but I did the Zealworks one and it was more accurate. Yo Bone , you mind if I PM you about some stuff??
this seems a little far from reality not what i have posted, i belive it though because when you do what you love to do and have fun at it possibilitys are endless 8)
bisi quote :arrow:
More than 240whp...as you see my level X D16 made over 230whp, and my full race app made more than that.
Grass Roots Motorsports is where I first learned about the ZC swap something like 11 years ago. It blew my mind. I remember going back and forth to Hasport back when Hasport was a just a junkyard to pay premium $$$ for ZC parts.
Grass Roots Motorsports is where I first learned about the ZC swap something like 11 years ago. It blew my mind. I remember going back and forth to Hasport back when Hasport was a just a junkyard to pay premium $$$ for ZC parts.
yes, those were the days, i cant believe someone else read that or at least remembered it! i think it was a white 86 si hatch, they swaped in a olive top d16a1 motor, still to this day i wish i still had my 85 crx i swaped in a jdm zc, to me this car was the most fun to drive car iv ever owned!! the car was so dangerously light. i could pick the car up from the rear and move it over, just wish i could find one today they just have so much irreversable rust that there no good, even in florida! that block is so stong! if ya have the chance compare it to vtec b-series notice all the ribbing, honda didnt even do this to the ls motor! the y7-y8 block has a few extra ribs that the other d's dont have but since sohc's dont really make much power above 7g's its kinda just extra weight. but the dohc zc does like higher rpms, plus i think the olive top has a great trans, its most likly the stongest d trans there was! back in the day HKS had cams for the zc and also a turbo kit, i was able to get my hands on the cams but never the turbo kit. about three years ago i seen some of these cams on ebay but good luck if those pop up again
Yep yep some one was actually just asking about the ZC HKS head gasket. I guess they don't make them any more ???!!?? I ran a stock ZC on 10 psi and I swear to the Honda gods that was one of the fastest motors I've ever been behind. BUT.... I blew the head gasket on it and then put in the HKS gasket. It was weird because in the days of the first B swap I felt special with that ZC turbo build, no one could touch my DX CRX.
I hate VTEC! Ok maybe hate is too strong a word but hearing a A6/A1/ZC pushed to its limits is beautiful! JUST PLAIN BEAUTIFUL! :!:
And yes it was a white hatch, right after reading that I bought a '89 Barbados Yellow Si Crx and did the swap. My first real "streetrace", I dominated a DSM TSi Talon. Too bad the yellow CRX' are cursed!
Yep yep some one was actually just asking about the ZC HKS head gasket. I guess they don't make them any more ???!!?? I ran a stock ZC on 10 psi and I swear to the Honda gods that was one of the fastest motors I've ever been behind. BUT.... I blew the head gasket on it and then put in the HKS gasket. It was weird because in the days of the first B swap I felt special with that ZC turbo build, no one could touch my DX CRX.
I hate VTEC! Ok maybe hate is too strong a word but hearing a A6/A1/ZC pushed to its limits is beautiful! JUST PLAIN BEAUTIFUL! :!:
And yes it was a white hatch, right after reading that I bought a '89 Barbados Yellow Si Crx and did the swap. My first real "streetrace", I dominated a DSM TSi Talon. Too bad the yellow CRX' are cursed!
yea, i wouldnt say hate cause vtec is a marval that still cant be touched by the auto industry today and now theres i-vtec. i just dont LIKE the people usually making use of these motors they always talk alot of bs and seem to have an excuse for everything. i dont concider sohc vtec to be real vtec cause it only does the intake side of things. to me its for fuel economy. with low cam swirl and high cam power, normal driving you dont see much of this power, rev's just dont climb fast like the dohc vtec's if it wasnt for smog honda would have just put bigger cams in there to get the 128hp, they do it for the jdm sohc non vtec zc's yes they make those for anyone who has never heard of those. i got one by mistake back in the day by mistake! but the motor was a blast, seemed to have a better low end power band than the black top dohc. but then it didnt have that fake vtec power band that the dohc does!! hehe 5200rpm vrooomm i love zc's
and anyone out there in the atl area and have a d16y i wouldnt try that (honda only) shop, from what i hear they love to spin your bearings
b18c5-eh2 guy sorry but i have no beef with you, so stop trying, get over it 8)
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First of all how dare you even try to drag my shop through the mud. We have been open for over 10 years and we have an excellent reputation in the ATL area. We only work on Hondas and Acuras and there is not a single shop in the ATL that I can think of that works on exclusively Hondas and Acuras that has lasted for 5 years, much less 10.
We don't spin the bearings in the Y series engines you fucking moron. Vehicles are towed in, or limped in, and I can't help it that Honda built an inferior block from 1996-2000, and I can't help it that their cylinder head design was based upon mpg and emissions yet your dumb ass chose to say the Y8 head is awesome when it's less than ideal.
Ask Revmaynard how our shop is. Ask him how nice of a guy I actually am when I'm not dealing with a moron with vaporware built engines. (Yes I mean you and your mythical 170whp D series with no dyno, video, proof, etc.)
It's one thing to come in here with your bullshit banter about how you built a "170whp" d series, and then you cannot even post a shred of evidence that you've ever done so, but now you're bringing out personal and professional attacks just because I made you look stupid?
I never said a 170whp D wasn't possible - I've spoken to Bisi on numerous occasions and Wil at Exospeed for years and of course i know it takes more than 170whp to run 10s in the 1/4 mile as Bisi has done with his 1.5L. I saw that SOHC cam topic (around the time it was started) that your lame ass copied and started an entirely new topic about just to be an annoying little shit.
For an old guy with a lot of experience you sure don't post any proof, and you sure are acting like a baby about your topic being unstickied by first spilling your whinings into another member's topic, and then copying a topic from H-T.com that has dyno sheets (and not including them) and starting an entirely new, pointless topic just to be a prick.
As a side note since we're going with attacks now I just wanted to point out that your wagon is a gaudy rice bucket on the inside:
...and anyone who knows anything about Hondas should also know that Nology wires and their individual grounds are riceboy wires that actually make LESS power than good old OE Honda wires:
...and to think I was actually trying to be nice to you in your wagon topic. Next time I'll stay away from a guy who lists a G-Tech meter as a mod!
:roll:
Okay folks so now it's officially an H-T like topic thanks to lucskywalker who couldn't leave shit alone.
sorry my friend i just use what people get rid of to do there b-series swaps, the motor had 50k on it and the wires are good for radio noise
you say 8 years i say 17 years you where still playing power rangers when i bought my first honda and rice boy why cause i have some gage plates? ooooo, so rice every thing in this car is functional, sorry but it doesnt matter what honda motor it is i have love for it!
I've been at this shop for 8 years. I've been working with hondas since 1995 - not quite 17 years, but then again are the most knowledgable people all older? I don't think so.
I'm not saying I know everything - far from it. Judging from your posts and bullshit info to begin with I'd say I know more than you do.
Tell me why you mentioned 86-89 Integra pistons in such a manner:
86-89 teg pistons has a goofy round dome and almost no relief for the valves and is a no go for the y8 head as it will hit the head and as for any cams for these pistons they will bend valves, so long story short pistons of choice are dx,si,ex,vx,hx if you want 170hp and stock piston...
Wow you're smart! I guess you didn't know that the 86-87 Integra piston and the 88-89 piston have COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PART NUMBERS AND DOMES!!!
The 86-87 Integra piston is a slight domed piston with a +1.3cc dome, whilst the 88-89 piston has a larger +7.2cc dome, but hey you're the expert here, right? Well you can lump completely different pistons into the same catagory if you want to, but that just reaffirms my belief that you're just spewing bullshit from your keyboard.
those pistons in my opinion are crap for vtec thats why i group them why use them with a vtec head? look at me im b18c5-eh2 guy i can piss farther than anyone!! try him he'll try to piss on you!!
those pistons in my opinion are crap for vtec thats why i group them why use them with a vtec head? look at me im b18c5-eh2 guy i can piss farther than anyone!! try him he'll try to piss on you!!
Way to dodge a perfectly valid point.
If you knew what you were talking about you'd understand that there's such a large difference between an 86-87 Integra piston and the 88-89 piston that you can't say both are bad for VTEC heads because they are entirely different pistons!!!
Every time you try and post something to explain yourself all you do is grab a shovel and dig yourself deeper.
Rather than just admit that you were wrong you try and shove the point aside and just make another retarded blanket statement like "they both suck for VTEC" completely ignoring that they are not even close to the same piston when it comes to compression.
Until you can show some pictures of you building an engine, and then some pics and/or videos of you dynoing your engine set-up from here on out I personally call you for bullshit and will disregard anything you have to say because you posted a theory bench racer engine build without having done one yourself. Either put up or shut the fuck up.
This is getting a bit out of hand. I would tend to side with b18c5-eh2 if its worth anything. At least he seems to have been educated enough to at least learn proper grammer.
if your ass style statements didnt get in the way of your theorys, maybie you could be a cool dude. the funny thing about you and i is we seem to be too much alike. i dont put up with much shit as seems your the same, what is differant is it seems you have been more fortunate than i, in the way of 1, having the time to do anything. so when it comes to my pictures dyno charts ect... ive always been rushed thru my shit cause im more valuble playing dyno on someone elses ride or building someone elses motor, i dont have much of my timeline to show. 2, i have stated many times in my posts that again I DONT HAVE TIME!!!, to even write to this forum, i sit an hour in traffic before and after work and i work 6 days a week 12pm to hope i can leave by 10 most days. 3, the last time i had the internet was back in 97' so other than playing aem tuner i just dont use the pc/laptop, yes my posts have been lacking in some areas and yes my typing sucks KILL ME!! thats where you could have just included things rather than saying stuff like if you end up having 130hp dont blame me. to me that is saying 170hp IS impossable!
times have been tuff lately so ive been easy to play your games. its not right but f it, you gotta have the last word about everything wich is normal for someone your age, i dont blame you ive been there before, and no this is not an apolagy, just want the shit to stop! this forum is my release i was enjoying it until you came along and chased my posts around just to disprove my theorys or whatever you want to call it, i still do have my street racing days in me so no you get to know everything i put inside my motor, besides you can have 5 of the same exact motors and do exactly the same to each and they all will have differant numbers, any experianced tuner will say the same thing. besides in my world doing what someone else tells you just takes the fun out of it and you dont learn much that way!
if it wasnt for your holyer then thou additude you might get to see that i do in fact agree in shit you say, in fact i started a thread on a quote that came from your fingers, but like i said before you like to jump the gun and fire away like its a big deal or something dude its just a motor and a d series at that! in my opinion the dohc zc is my only fav, but like ive stated i love all honda motors
to sum things up i could have just pm'd this truce to you but im the type these days to publicly state it wasnt right to egg you on besides i know your out there looking at where i post so injoy! and just leave it alone no more jack assed remarks ok
but to the hcw world out there im sorry for the both of us
and since there is no how to build your d-series to each level thats possible, that ive seen there isnt one, someone should do a writeup to be stickye since we all get stuck using the motor somtimes in our lives!
i was on the virge of saying
that the two of you make a great team
but like they say
the faster you drive, the sooner you collide
i know one thing for sure
IT IS LOVE : )
love, hard work and dedicatioin
when somebody tells different
from what you know about your 'love'
emotions ...
dang man, we are capable to kill
thats us, human, born to make mistakes
i say, put that temper in the tank
and you could make us fly !
: )
ps. loved the debate, premium stuff
on both accounts
i was on the virge of saying
that the two of you make a great team
but like they say
the faster you drive, the sooner you collide
i know one thing for sure
IT IS LOVE : )
love, hard work and dedicatioin
when somebody tells different
from what you know about your 'love'
emotions ...
dang man, we are capable to kill
thats us, human, born to make mistakes
i say, put that temper in the tank
and you could make us fly !
: )
ps. loved the debate, premium stuff
on both accounts
I think this the only post of yours, EagBeag, that I could understand! Well Done
Comments
170whp D15 on ITBS is easy even with nonVTEC head and Crane 251-0016 camshaft. 12:1 compression with FORGED pistons.
D16Y8 @ 12.5:1 compression, tuned by Honda will do 150 whp, I'm speaking of the original GX/Y8 motor as autox by HART.....I'm about to purchase it
The original GRM article, HUGE SCANS.....
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m307 ... /HART1.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m307 ... /HART2.jpg
My current build/idea @ 14:1, was gonna run it on E85 but might drop back to 12.5:1 on 93 octane
.052" out of the hole, HAVE to run R5671A plugs for dome clearance
Which calc you using? Only one I trust.......
http://www.zealautowerks.com/dseries.html
I was using http://www.knology.net/~jediklc/D.htm but I did the Zealworks one and it was more accurate. Yo Bone , you mind if I PM you about some stuff??
bisi quote :arrow:
More than 240whp...as you see my level X D16 made over 230whp, and my full race app made more than that.
Grass Roots Motorsports is where I first learned about the ZC swap something like 11 years ago. It blew my mind. I remember going back and forth to Hasport back when Hasport was a just a junkyard to pay premium $$$ for ZC parts.
yes, those were the days, i cant believe someone else read that or at least remembered it! i think it was a white 86 si hatch, they swaped in a olive top d16a1 motor, still to this day i wish i still had my 85 crx i swaped in a jdm zc, to me this car was the most fun to drive car iv ever owned!! the car was so dangerously light. i could pick the car up from the rear and move it over, just wish i could find one today they just have so much irreversable rust that there no good, even in florida! that block is so stong! if ya have the chance compare it to vtec b-series notice all the ribbing, honda didnt even do this to the ls motor! the y7-y8 block has a few extra ribs that the other d's dont have but since sohc's dont really make much power above 7g's its kinda just extra weight.
I hate VTEC! Ok maybe hate is too strong a word but hearing a A6/A1/ZC pushed to its limits is beautiful! JUST PLAIN BEAUTIFUL! :!:
And yes it was a white hatch, right after reading that I bought a '89 Barbados Yellow Si Crx and did the swap. My first real "streetrace", I dominated a DSM TSi Talon. Too bad the yellow CRX' are cursed!
yea, i wouldnt say hate cause vtec is a marval that still cant be touched by the auto industry today and now theres i-vtec. i just dont LIKE the people usually making use of these motors
and no ya didnt hurt my feelings at all
and anyone out there in the atl area and have a d16y i wouldnt try that (honda only) shop, from what i hear they love to spin your bearings
b18c5-eh2 guy sorry but i have no beef with you, so stop trying, get over it 8)
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First of all how dare you even try to drag my shop through the mud. We have been open for over 10 years and we have an excellent reputation in the ATL area. We only work on Hondas and Acuras and there is not a single shop in the ATL that I can think of that works on exclusively Hondas and Acuras that has lasted for 5 years, much less 10.
We don't spin the bearings in the Y series engines you fucking moron. Vehicles are towed in, or limped in, and I can't help it that Honda built an inferior block from 1996-2000, and I can't help it that their cylinder head design was based upon mpg and emissions yet your dumb ass chose to say the Y8 head is awesome when it's less than ideal.
Ask Revmaynard how our shop is. Ask him how nice of a guy I actually am when I'm not dealing with a moron with vaporware built engines. (Yes I mean you and your mythical 170whp D series with no dyno, video, proof, etc.)
It's one thing to come in here with your bullshit banter about how you built a "170whp" d series, and then you cannot even post a shred of evidence that you've ever done so, but now you're bringing out personal and professional attacks just because I made you look stupid?
I never said a 170whp D wasn't possible - I've spoken to Bisi on numerous occasions and Wil at Exospeed for years and of course i know it takes more than 170whp to run 10s in the 1/4 mile as Bisi has done with his 1.5L. I saw that SOHC cam topic (around the time it was started) that your lame ass copied and started an entirely new topic about just to be an annoying little shit.
For an old guy with a lot of experience you sure don't post any proof, and you sure are acting like a baby about your topic being unstickied by first spilling your whinings into another member's topic, and then copying a topic from H-T.com that has dyno sheets (and not including them) and starting an entirely new, pointless topic just to be a prick.
As a side note since we're going with attacks now I just wanted to point out that your wagon is a gaudy rice bucket on the inside:
...and anyone who knows anything about Hondas should also know that Nology wires and their individual grounds are riceboy wires that actually make LESS power than good old OE Honda wires:
...and to think I was actually trying to be nice to you in your wagon topic. Next time I'll stay away from a guy who lists a G-Tech meter as a mod!
:roll:
Okay folks so now it's officially an H-T like topic thanks to lucskywalker who couldn't leave shit alone.
you say 8 years i say 17 years you where still playing power rangers when i bought my first honda and rice boy why cause i have some gage plates? ooooo, so rice every thing in this car is functional, sorry but it doesnt matter what honda motor it is i have love for it!
I'm not saying I know everything - far from it. Judging from your posts and bullshit info to begin with I'd say I know more than you do.
Tell me why you mentioned 86-89 Integra pistons in such a manner:
Wow you're smart! I guess you didn't know that the 86-87 Integra piston and the 88-89 piston have COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PART NUMBERS AND DOMES!!!
The 86-87 Integra piston is a slight domed piston with a +1.3cc dome, whilst the 88-89 piston has a larger +7.2cc dome, but hey you're the expert here, right? Well you can lump completely different pistons into the same catagory if you want to, but that just reaffirms my belief that you're just spewing bullshit from your keyboard.
:roll:
Way to dodge a perfectly valid point.
If you knew what you were talking about you'd understand that there's such a large difference between an 86-87 Integra piston and the 88-89 piston that you can't say both are bad for VTEC heads because they are entirely different pistons!!!
Every time you try and post something to explain yourself all you do is grab a shovel and dig yourself deeper.
Rather than just admit that you were wrong you try and shove the point aside and just make another retarded blanket statement like "they both suck for VTEC" completely ignoring that they are not even close to the same piston when it comes to compression.
Until you can show some pictures of you building an engine, and then some pics and/or videos of you dynoing your engine set-up from here on out I personally call you for bullshit and will disregard anything you have to say because you posted a theory bench racer engine build without having done one yourself. Either put up or shut the fuck up.
/thread
jerry springer called, to join his show
dr phill already offered free therapy
and ophrah just want to bitchslap you
hint: never shoot the messenger ...
me
: )
ROFL. :P
This is getting a bit out of hand. I would tend to side with b18c5-eh2 if its worth anything. At least he seems to have been educated enough to at least learn proper grammer.
times have been tuff lately so ive been easy to play your games. its not right but f it, you gotta have the last word about everything wich is normal for someone your age, i dont blame you ive been there before, and no this is not an apolagy, just want the shit to stop! this forum is my release i was enjoying it until you came along and chased my posts around just to disprove my theorys or whatever you want to call it, i still do have my street racing days in me so no you get to know everything i put inside my motor, besides you can have 5 of the same exact motors and do exactly the same to each and they all will have differant numbers, any experianced tuner will say the same thing. besides in my world doing what someone else tells you just takes the fun out of it and you dont learn much that way!
if it wasnt for your holyer then thou additude you might get to see that i do in fact agree in shit you say, in fact i started a thread on a quote that came from your fingers, but like i said before you like to jump the gun and fire away like its a big deal or something dude its just a motor and a d series at that! in my opinion the dohc zc is my only fav, but like ive stated i love all honda motors
to sum things up i could have just pm'd this truce to you but im the type these days to publicly state it wasnt right to egg you on besides i know your out there looking at where i post so injoy! and just leave it alone no more jack assed remarks ok
but to the hcw world out there im sorry for the both of us
and since there is no how to build your d-series to each level thats possible, that ive seen there isnt one, someone should do a writeup to be stickye since we all get stuck using the motor somtimes in our lives!
that the two of you make a great team
but like they say
the faster you drive, the sooner you collide
i know one thing for sure
IT IS LOVE : )
love, hard work and dedicatioin
when somebody tells different
from what you know about your 'love'
emotions ...
dang man, we are capable to kill
thats us, human, born to make mistakes
i say, put that temper in the tank
and you could make us fly !
: )
ps. loved the debate, premium stuff
on both accounts
I think this the only post of yours, EagBeag, that I could understand! Well Done