...back to the fact of the taller shocks in the rear of a DA. Taller shocks require taller springs. ..
So the prob you have in lowering the car that causes shx bottoming is the same thing that happens ,when you use the shorter DC shx in lifting.The taller body will allow more travel upward.It's about 80mm(1.5") taller.
Anyone running EG shocks in the rear of their 2wd Wagon? I'm looking to see what my options are, I have a set of Skunk2 lowering springs and I'm looking to see what I could gather up at the wreckers in terms of shocks...If I can get EG shocks it would help a lot for my 90 Wagon. Thanks
Just an addition to this. EG stuff does work all the way around if you use the EG fronk forks. AKA you can buy any EG/DC part and it will work as long as you have the front forks. This really opens up your options. Tons pf people make eg suspension stuff. This also means that EK stuff should work I believe.
What exactly would happen if I used stock EF civic front and rear shocks and springs on my 88 Wagon 2wd?
I know I would have to replace the LCA in the rear because they wouldn't fit the EF suspension.
it says using the stock shocks with ef springs on the rear will give it 2-3 in drop. but using the ef spring and shock combo will give it 3/4in drop. i want the 2-3 in drop on the rear. i was asking if i swap my stock front springs with 2wd springs, will i get the 2-3 in drop in the front like i get in the rear or will it be less.
it says using the stock shocks with ef springs on the rear will give it 2-3 in drop. but using the ef spring and shock combo will give it 3/4in drop. i want the 2-3 in drop on the rear. i was asking if i swap my stock front springs with 2wd springs, will i get the 2-3 in drop in the front like i get in the rear or will it be less.
One more silly question, and yes I searched. Can I use 88 front struts in a 1990? I ask because some of the threads I came across said stay with your year when switching out struts and springs. I have some struts off an 88, and it looks the same as my 90 struts. However, the brake line brackets and other brackets are different. So I want to put 88 2wd struts on my 1990 4wd. Ghetto, yes. I came across some stuff in the yard and can't afford new struts right now.
Basically, I want to know if i will be safe to use 88 shocks on my 1990. I got a little confused as well when I went to majestic honda, and they had the part #'s if I looked up a 1990 wagon, but the parts aren't even listed when I look for 1988. I figure if they were the same, wouldn't they be listed for the 88 as well?
Alright, there are differences between the struts. All I have for comparasion are 1988 Front struts off a 2wd Wagovan, and 1990 4WD front struts. Both pairs are OEM Showa.
The main differences are bracketry at the bottom, and the 4WD gets bumpstops. You can see the bumpstops in the pics. The tubes that go around the rod are also 1/2" taller for the 4WD model.
Also the part #'s are the saem except for the one part. I did photo these.
In regards to the springs, the 4WD are thicker, have more coils, and are about 3/4" longer than the 2WD. This makes no sense to me as the 3/4" difference should make the drop, and more because of the obviously softer spring rates. Then again, I am no engineer.
Please feel free to move or delete all this if it is already known and useless.
Thanks!
Part #'s. Sorry, I forgot which is which but can get that.
RT4WD are on the left, 2WD on the right.
And the longer 4WD tube as compared with the 2WD.
And the springs. 4WD on the left. The 4WD are a bit beefier, and longer.
And what started all this.
Sorry for not responding.I did not know you added to the postings.You are NOT whoring the thread .It's good to keep the suspension questions to a suspension thread.
Yes you can use front '88 struts on your '90.All '88-'91 front shocks are interchangeable except for bracket differences.There is a lot of misinformation on this site that stems from confusion about the '88 rear shx.There's nothing ghetto about what you are doing.The Showa shx is a nice performance shx.Honda spec'ed it well.
Try another website.Some Honda parts sites only start after '91.
... the 4WD are thicker, have more coils, and are about 3/4" longer than the 2WD. This makes no sense to me as the 3/4" difference should make it drop more because of the obviously softer spring rates...
The reason for the raise is both the extra coil & extra length .Your thinking is correct,but not complete.Extra coils normally does make the ride softer,but it's the thickness,coil placement & extra length (air space) that makes it taller.
ANyways, thank you very much for your thread. Not only has it given members options and know how for lowering their wagons, it has helped immensely in just repairing my stock height wagon with the correct parts.
Just an addition to this. EG stuff does work all the way around if you use the EG fronk forks. AKA you can buy any EG/DC part and it will work as long as you have the front forks. This really opens up your options. Tons pf people make eg suspension stuff. This also means that EK stuff should work I believe.
To use EG lowering springs, are you using the EF rear shocks? Or did wagon rears work?
Hey guys, I am a little confused on what I should get. I plan to order some lowering items within the next week and I want to do it right. I read all the suspension quicklinks and I see that the DA springs are recommended because they are stiffer and would support the weight that would be put in the back of the wagon better. I saw that the DA springs have the dimensions as the wagon springs, so could I get DA shocks and lowering springs to lower my wagon?
However, I don't plan on hauling too many heavy things in the wagon, but I will occasionally have friends riding in the back seat. I don't want the car to bottom out with a load in the back, but I want a smooth ride wherever I go. What would be the best option for me, EF hatch shocks and lowering springs or the stiffer DA shocks and lowering springs?
If you are using an OEM strut with an aftermarket coil over sleeve you want to stay with wagon rear struts.
If you switch to a strut from another car (EF Hatch, DA Integra) the drop will not sufficient as the Wagon rear struts are drastically shorter in length.
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Sorry I meant ,"NO" to the above statement,but I was jokin
The answer is DC/EG shx are basically the same so stay with the DA shx.
boostin4wd has eg shx with eg front forks...
That's why I said stay with the DA shx.
thanks
dee
There you go...Skunk2 sport springs all around. Little stiff over rough roads but nice on the highway!
I know I would have to replace the LCA in the rear because they wouldn't fit the EF suspension.
Alex
Only need to replace LCA if EF suspension is NOT '88.
One more silly question, and yes I searched. Can I use 88 front struts in a 1990? I ask because some of the threads I came across said stay with your year when switching out struts and springs. I have some struts off an 88, and it looks the same as my 90 struts. However, the brake line brackets and other brackets are different. So I want to put 88 2wd struts on my 1990 4wd. Ghetto, yes. I came across some stuff in the yard and can't afford new struts right now.
Basically, I want to know if i will be safe to use 88 shocks on my 1990. I got a little confused as well when I went to majestic honda, and they had the part #'s if I looked up a 1990 wagon, but the parts aren't even listed when I look for 1988. I figure if they were the same, wouldn't they be listed for the 88 as well?
Thanks!
My apologies if I am whoring your thread, it is not my intention! My question got moved here, so i figure I will keep it going!
Pics in 30 minutes xD
The main differences are bracketry at the bottom, and the 4WD gets bumpstops. You can see the bumpstops in the pics. The tubes that go around the rod are also 1/2" taller for the 4WD model.
Also the part #'s are the saem except for the one part. I did photo these.
In regards to the springs, the 4WD are thicker, have more coils, and are about 3/4" longer than the 2WD. This makes no sense to me as the 3/4" difference should make the drop, and more because of the obviously softer spring rates. Then again, I am no engineer.
Please feel free to move or delete all this if it is already known and useless.
Thanks!
Part #'s. Sorry, I forgot which is which but can get that.
RT4WD are on the left, 2WD on the right.
And the longer 4WD tube as compared with the 2WD.
And the springs. 4WD on the left. The 4WD are a bit beefier, and longer.
And what started all this.
Yes you can use front '88 struts on your '90.All '88-'91 front shocks are interchangeable except for bracket differences.There is a lot of misinformation on this site that stems from confusion about the '88 rear shx.There's nothing ghetto about what you are doing.The Showa shx is a nice performance shx.Honda spec'ed it well.
Try another website.Some Honda parts sites only start after '91.
The reason for the raise is both the extra coil & extra length .Your thinking is correct,but not complete.Extra coils normally does make the ride softer,but it's the thickness,coil placement & extra length (air space) that makes it taller.
ANyways, thank you very much for your thread. Not only has it given members options and know how for lowering their wagons, it has helped immensely in just repairing my stock height wagon with the correct parts.
+1 to you!
To use EG lowering springs, are you using the EF rear shocks? Or did wagon rears work?
THANKS!
However, I don't plan on hauling too many heavy things in the wagon, but I will occasionally have friends riding in the back seat. I don't want the car to bottom out with a load in the back, but I want a smooth ride wherever I go. What would be the best option for me, EF hatch shocks and lowering springs or the stiffer DA shocks and lowering springs?
Thanks
If you switch to a strut from another car (EF Hatch, DA Integra) the drop will not sufficient as the Wagon rear struts are drastically shorter in length.