3g eng.swaps?Trouble finding answers

WorldHazardWorldHazard New Wagonist
in Engine & Drivetrain
So, i keep searching around. Not exactly finding the answers I'm looking for. To start.. i guess I'm wondering what kind of engine swaps can be done to my 86 2wd wagon.. by this i mean as close to straight swap as possible. Without too much fab'ing. Also, Right now i'm lookin at getting a new airfilter. I'm new to carb engines, but found some through k&n.. the heights differ from 2.75" - 3.68" - 5.5" as the i.d. stays 7.7 and the o.d. stays 10 ofcourse. will the 5.5" fit under the cover, and is it worth it. I'm trying to stay as close to stock with this motor as possible. Just wanna upgrade the filter. MIGHT change the muffler only later on down the line as with the cam gear. But that's undecided.

I am really curious as to what kinda of engine swaps can be done though for the most part

edit: i see WAY more information about the following generation wagon as opposed to my generation. am i lookin in the wrong spot?

Comments

  • Eagle BeagleEagle Beagle familEE
    Just consider yourself extremely lucky having one ...

    imo, there was nothing much to swap

    : )

    anyway, you can always add some patience
  • WorldHazardWorldHazard New Wagonist
    so i found something on a hybrid site... the d16 can be swapped. but going from the carb to the fuel injected is the PITA part. could i just use the ecu from the 4th gen wagon..? along with the ENTIRE fuel system... ? or just the fuel feed system with the integra ecu

    eagle... i'd rather have the 4wd ;)
  • wagodizzlewagodizzle Council Member and EDM expert
    you're right there isnt much info on 3d gen swaps, mainly because not many people have done it. but then, they prolly didnt cause there wasnt any info...oof, its a cycle haha

    davens swapped a ZC into a third gen. supposedly there is a CARBED ZC.. im guessing its super rare but it looks like that fits in.

    what you were saying about swapping out the entire fuel system and such, i guess it could be done.. but then you'd have to swap the entire electrical system too... and it would get pretty messy.

    if i were you i'd get some performance carbs and build up the motor that way.
  • WorldHazardWorldHazard New Wagonist
    wagodizzle wrote:
    if i were you i'd get some performance carbs and build up the motor that way.

    Like i said i'm new to carb'd engines.. just looked some up. HOLY CRAP their costy. at least more than I would have thought that is
  • shenrieshenrie Council Member
    I put a B16A in a 3rd gen glassback. Talk about a total pita. Everything, and I mean everything had to be swapped out. IMHO, find a differnt platform to play with or learn carbs. If its a car that you absolutly have to mod, contact Rywire/Hasport for your wiring needs, cause its not worth the time to try and decipher/swap out all that other stuff, but thats me. Depends on your patience and desire to mod this particular car.

    I dont wanna be that guy that says it cant be done, cause I love breaking those rules, but if youve got a place to do this conversion, the patience, are mechanically inclined, the right tools, the determination, and the cash, anything can be done.

    Hasport offers mounts and some wiring for this stuff. You might give them a call and take a look around at Red pepper racing. Its been a long time since I messed with any of the Honda stuff this old, so there may be newer resources as well.

    A few quick links:
    http://www.hasport.com/products/mount_kits/afb1.htm
    http://www.hasport.com/products/wiring.htm
    http://www.rywire.com/store/index.php
    http://www.redpepperracing.com/forums/i ... p?act=home
  • Eagle BeagleEagle Beagle familEE
    img0724pu0.jpg
    Yah, pitty i spotted this one in France...
  • WorldHazardWorldHazard New Wagonist
    Gr. I would give it a go if I did have a place to do work. I live in apartments. Have another car 30 miles away in a storage with it's new engine 20 miles the opposite direction. Just waiting to get them together somewhere where I can work on em. They've been that way for over a year. The car has been without a motor for around 3 years (talk about a project)

    I eventually will look towards a 4th gen. Right now i feel i'll just stick with the wagon being stock and enjoy it. it's fun for now.
  • SiWagonSiWagon Council Member
    The 1.6L DOHC D16A1 (86-89 Integra) is pretty much a sraight bolt-in except for a simple mod to one of the mtr mounts at least in a CRX.This was a factory bolt-in in Europe & JDM.I don't know if the 3gen Wgn engine compartment is bigger or smaller.

    The prob might be your state laws about engine swaps.The hard part is the carb-fuellie swap.The easier way may be a aftrmrkt ECU controller for the fuel injection.Otherwise you're lookin @ swapping everything from the fuel pump forward.The Integra ecu fuel map is better.

    :D On the plus side you'll have a Integra in aCivic Wgn(W :twisted: OLF in sheep's skin) 'cuz the integra 4whl disk is a bolt-in(in at least a CRX).AC can be bolted in too.

    :arrow: Basically if you're going to do this swap the cheapest is to buy a '86-'89 Integra as a donor car.

    GOOD LUCK :shock:
  • Eagle BeagleEagle Beagle familEE
    Not to be funny, it is in a bikers, ski, parasailing, camp, thingy plenty to do area ...

    http://maps.google.nl/maps?f=q&hl=nl&ge ... 2&t=h&z=20
  • WorldHazardWorldHazard New Wagonist
    SiWagon wrote:
    The 1.6L DOHC D16A1 (86-89 Integra) is pretty much a sraight bolt-in except for a simple mod to one of the mtr mounts at least in a CRX.This was a factory bolt-in in Europe & JDM.I don't know if the 3gen Wgn engine compartment is bigger or smaller.

    :D On the plus side you'll have a Integra in aCivic Wgn(W :twisted: OLF in sheep's skin) 'cuz the integra 4whl disk is a bolt-in(in at least a CRX).AC can be bolted in too.


    Ya, i read that all this stuff is a straight swap into the CRX itself. I'm not skilled enough nor have the location to pioneer a project like this. Which sucks, or I would definately devote some killer time into it.

    I was lookin through Hondata... tried getting into their forum to look around, but to register you need to know the stupid jdm teg type r engine code.. hell, i'm no honda guy so i dunno. and google didn't help.. at least not from what i found. thought it was B18C5.. guess not though.

    I'm thinking eventually in a bout a year i plan to rent a house with garage where I can finally get to work on my cars. And then the wagon will be the 2nd project. Only to be tended to once my current project is complete. Be freaking sweet to have a 3g fwd wagon with a narly teg swap. oh, and btw, i would do this all the a 4wd.. but i got the fwd for $0.00 ;)

    thanks for the info though, that did help.
  • davensdavens familEE
    I have an '87 4wd.
    I put an oem carb'd zc in it.
    But I ditched the oem carb and converted to a DGEV weber downdraft. Great setup.

    Some alternatives to a full engine swap...
    Switch the stock carb for a performance carb...weber is the best bet. There are several downdraft and sidedraft conversion kits available.
    Put a performance cam and header/exhaust and it will howl. Some guys on Redpepper are getting 130+ hp from this setup.
    There is a better flowing head that you can switch to...but the details escape me. It's on Redpepper.

    If you're considering a swap to a fuel injection, I'm telling you right now, buy a 85-87 CRX Si or 86-87 Integra parts car, preferably running. You'll need to scavenge the entire electrical and fuel system.

    Here's a good place to start fro Weber conversions:
    http://www.racetep.com/webkitpage.html
  • WorldHazardWorldHazard New Wagonist
    davens... are you using the 726 kit? or the 724.. im not sure whether or not we use a manual or electric choke.. i'm thinking it's electric.. that price seems VERY nice.

    zc is the same as the D16A8?

    the motor you swapped can be found from 1g civic/crx and/or 2g teg?

    It seems like a 'simple' swap. But.. do you have the 'rare' carb motor than..or is it something completely different.
  • davensdavens familEE
    I have the rare jdm ZC that came with a carb. Good luck finding one these days. I got mine from Go Motors late 02 or early 03. I had to call half a dozen different importers before I found one that even knew what it was.

    There are probably 12-15 different zc configurations. If you can't find the carb'd version, the "browntop" 1st gen ZC is a suitable substitute. Alternately, the 86-87 D16a1 from usdm Intrgras will work. Stay away from the blacktop ZCs and 88+ D16a1s.
    The D16a8 was one of the euro versions of the ZC

    Since my ZC already had a carb manifold, all I needed was the carb itself....I didn't need to buy the whole kit. So I bought a downdraft 32/36 DGEV (electric choke).

    The reasoning behind going with the Weber was to get rid of all the crazy vacuum hoses.
    It really simplifies the engine to basics....I had to learn a lot.
    There's a lot of good reading on Redpepper. I posted a lot of my questions and solutions there.
    This book was extremely helpful in choosing which carb and understanding how to tune it: http://www.amazon.com/Weber-Carburetors ... 895863774/

    And with the 2wd version, you can follow one of the many writeups for installing a D16a1 into a 85-87 CRX.
  • WorldHazardWorldHazard New Wagonist
    SiWagon wrote:

    :D On the plus side you'll have a Integra in aCivic Wgn(W :twisted: OLF in sheep's skin) 'cuz the integra 4whl disk is a bolt-in(in at least a CRX).AC can be bolted in too.

    This is something I'll be lookin at doing within the next year. What all would i need exactly if anyone knows

    I'm guessing the propo valve, real knuckles & calipers, front knuckles & calipers, the two e-brake cables, rotors ofcourse too. all the brake lines

    will the rear just subframe swap over??
  • WorldHazardWorldHazard New Wagonist
    I'm thinking nevermind... found my answer via RPR
    Yes, they bolt right up, just like the Integra brakes. You need the caliper and caliper brackets, pads, and rotors. You will most likely want 90-91 SI calipers, as they have the most aftermarket support in terms of brake pad compounds and manufacturers.

    but still i would proly need the brake lines still right?
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