Yeah I bought my material at joanns fabric.british flannel,tan with brown checker.it was a little costly though.$25 a yard at 4 yards.I haven't atempted to mess with it yet.
so im about to try this soon, what all exactly has to be done to completely remove the headliner?
you mean taking it out? you have to pop out all the plastic trimming from the door pillars/aches, and also remove the hand grips, rearview mirror, the buttons along the top center and the dome light. there is also a trim piece along the trunk, its rubber.
the headliner will then simply drop.
Please clairfy "pop out all the plastic trimming". I'm getting tired of breaking fancy molded clips and then having to buy new ones (if they're even available).
I saw this thread and got the urge. I saw my 20+ yr old plastic interior and also felt the dread of breaking everything I yanked on. So, figuring I'd just start somewhere and pull slowly, every single piece of plastic simply POPPED out of place without breaking anything. Normally I'd have expected the parts to break in half, or the mounting clips which are molded onto the back of the plastics to snap off...but the way our interior plastics are made, everything is designed to POP in and out of place relatively easily!
Here's how/why: (this will be obvious once you get your first piece of plastic pulled away)
The interior plastics do have mounting tabs molded onto their rear sides, but they are designed to hold a metal clip which stays on the mounting tab itself (and thus onto the back of the interior plastic pieces). When you hear the POP and feel your interior plastic pull away from the roof line, you're hearing that metal tab POP out of it's place in the metal ceiling! It's metal against metal, which can pop and unpop and pop again over and over and over without breaking the plastic or the plastic mounting tab! Yea Honda engineering!!
Hope this helps. I can go snap a pic in the morning if this isn't clear. (Sometimes words are a lousy means of communication.)
:-)
PS - In another thread, it says to literally just pull the rear view mirror off the ceiling. This is also correct. Two hands, one big yank. It'll make sense once you do it. I DID take pics of that and plan on updating that thread, just so folks can actually SEE what's going on and feel more comfortable about doing something which feels like vandalism inside their ride. :-)
dont worry about breaking stuff too much it pretty much does just pop out. ive never broken any of the clips. you can sorta feel where the clip is when you go to pull on it. its not like the exterior moldings.
Mainly down, but outward a little too. Here's two pics...one of the tabs which are molded onto the back of the interior plastics, one of the two rectangular holes in the roof where those molded tabs fit into. Hope this helps clear it up some.
I left all of my plastic pieces in, just popping loose the top sides.
To keep then away from the headliner, so not to rip/tear, I used a bungy cord to pull them towards each other gently.
Thanks,
Andrew
Say, now THAT is a fantastic idea...bungee cords to hold the plastics down/away from the freshly finished headliner...I LOVE IT! I have three kids to help...but, yaknow, a cloud passes overhead and it draws their attention away from the job at hand. Bungee cords...man I'm glad you thought that up! Fan-freakin'-tastic! :-)
Say, just a thought here...for anyone who wants a lil extra insulation, while you have your headliner out of the car, it's a PERFECT time to glue some dyna-mat (or any other kind of barrier) up there!
I bought some knock-off dynamat at a swap meet last year...4'x6' rolls for $30...I thought it was a good deal since the REAL Dynamat would cost a small fortune for 24 sqft. I've got some cut into strips and glued directly to the bare metal ceiling right now and have measured a 20+ degree difference between the bare metal and the insulated areas (108 on the bare metal, 86 on the insulated part).
And, because there's bound to be some people out there as lazy as I am (and because information should be free), here's the measurements I used for the five sections, front to back:
First (front panel): 36" wide, 6.5" long at each end but 9" long in the middle (it's a curved edge).
Second and third panels: 9" x 36"
Fourth and Fifth panels: 10" x 36"
If you cut your insulation according to those measurements, they should glue right up without any problems. Of course, there's enough wiggle room that you don't have to get it PERFECTLY perfect. This is just the quick-n-easy way to get what you see pictured below.
Thanks for the pic, it WAS worth a thousand words. Also thanks for the insulation dimensions, I can now get all my materials before removing the headliner.
Thanks for the pic, it WAS worth a thousand words. Also thanks for the insulation dimensions, I can now get all my materials before removing the headliner.
You're welcome! :-)
Just to REALLY prove to myself that the insulation was a worthwhile mod, I used a digital thermometer to test the temp of the ceiling areas with and without insulation. Check out the results...they speak for themselves! By the way, I'm in the north Texas area, where it's hot hot hot in the summer, so this kind of insulation has been slowly going into/onto Every Area I Can Get To! :-)
my headliner has holer in it from random hits (slamming a bike handlebar into it, etc...). just wondering if anyone else's did and how did it look? I'm worried since there is nothing to glue onto the fabric will just hang there and clearly stand out.
ok so i see it keeps the heat out, what about in? in NY right now its freezing.. would this knock off dynamatt keep heat in? what did you use to glue it down?
my headliner has holer in it from random hits (slamming a bike handlebar into it, etc...). just wondering if anyone else's did and how did it look? I'm worried since there is nothing to glue onto the fabric will just hang there and clearly stand out.
my headliner in my sedan had a couple holes in it. i just let the fabric lay over it...as long as its not a HUGE hole you should be fine, you probably wont even notice. i couldn't tell where the hole was in mine.
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Going to get mine tonight!!! Should be a fun weekend project.
Thanks,
Andrew
What I decided to go with. Hate it or love it
Please clairfy "pop out all the plastic trimming". I'm getting tired of breaking fancy molded clips and then having to buy new ones (if they're even available).
Thanks
I saw this thread and got the urge. I saw my 20+ yr old plastic interior and also felt the dread of breaking everything I yanked on. So, figuring I'd just start somewhere and pull slowly, every single piece of plastic simply POPPED out of place without breaking anything. Normally I'd have expected the parts to break in half, or the mounting clips which are molded onto the back of the plastics to snap off...but the way our interior plastics are made, everything is designed to POP in and out of place relatively easily!
Here's how/why: (this will be obvious once you get your first piece of plastic pulled away)
The interior plastics do have mounting tabs molded onto their rear sides, but they are designed to hold a metal clip which stays on the mounting tab itself (and thus onto the back of the interior plastic pieces). When you hear the POP and feel your interior plastic pull away from the roof line, you're hearing that metal tab POP out of it's place in the metal ceiling! It's metal against metal, which can pop and unpop and pop again over and over and over without breaking the plastic or the plastic mounting tab! Yea Honda engineering!!
Hope this helps. I can go snap a pic in the morning if this isn't clear. (Sometimes words are a lousy means of communication.)
:-)
PS - In another thread, it says to literally just pull the rear view mirror off the ceiling. This is also correct. Two hands, one big yank. It'll make sense once you do it. I DID take pics of that and plan on updating that thread, just so folks can actually SEE what's going on and feel more comfortable about doing something which feels like vandalism inside their ride. :-)
Thanks
To keep then away from the headliner, so not to rip/tear, I used a bungy cord to pull them towards each other gently.
Thanks,
Andrew
Debating on putting the "oh sh!t" handles back in. Just looks clean without them...
Thanks,
Andrew
Mainly down, but outward a little too. Here's two pics...one of the tabs which are molded onto the back of the interior plastics, one of the two rectangular holes in the roof where those molded tabs fit into. Hope this helps clear it up some.
Say, now THAT is a fantastic idea...bungee cords to hold the plastics down/away from the freshly finished headliner...I LOVE IT! I have three kids to help...but, yaknow, a cloud passes overhead and it draws their attention away from the job at hand. Bungee cords...man I'm glad you thought that up! Fan-freakin'-tastic! :-)
I bought some knock-off dynamat at a swap meet last year...4'x6' rolls for $30...I thought it was a good deal since the REAL Dynamat would cost a small fortune for 24 sqft. I've got some cut into strips and glued directly to the bare metal ceiling right now and have measured a 20+ degree difference between the bare metal and the insulated areas (108 on the bare metal, 86 on the insulated part).
And, because there's bound to be some people out there as lazy as I am (and because information should be free), here's the measurements I used for the five sections, front to back:
First (front panel): 36" wide, 6.5" long at each end but 9" long in the middle (it's a curved edge).
Second and third panels: 9" x 36"
Fourth and Fifth panels: 10" x 36"
If you cut your insulation according to those measurements, they should glue right up without any problems. Of course, there's enough wiggle room that you don't have to get it PERFECTLY perfect. This is just the quick-n-easy way to get what you see pictured below.
Hope this helps! :-)
You're welcome! :-)
Just to REALLY prove to myself that the insulation was a worthwhile mod, I used a digital thermometer to test the temp of the ceiling areas with and without insulation. Check out the results...they speak for themselves! By the way, I'm in the north Texas area, where it's hot hot hot in the summer, so this kind of insulation has been slowly going into/onto Every Area I Can Get To! :-)
fold it over and glue to the back, keeps from the edges wanting to lift up, i'd recommend trying to get at least 2inches of fold over.
my headliner in my sedan had a couple holes in it. i just let the fabric lay over it...as long as its not a HUGE hole you should be fine, you probably wont even notice. i couldn't tell where the hole was in mine.