Stupid drive axles

I'm finally getting close to getting the electric Wagon running again. I messed up the axle nut removing the passenger-side axle, and according to Nathan, the axle threads are mucked up, too. It wouldn't go back in the transmission, and the inner CV joint was pulled apart and wouldn't go back together again.

I bought another axle at the local Advance. I was astonished to find they had one on the shelves. This weekend Nathan tried to put it it, and was surprised that it went in so easily. Later, though, he found that it didn't actually go in all the way.

I thought the Civic axles were identical for all the '88-'91 series. Was I just mistaken, or is there some extra magic for installing this thing?

Comments

  • wagodizzlewagodizzle Council Member and EDM expert
    when i install axles they slide in easily at first, but then it takes a couple hard taps to get it to pop in ALL the way. maybe you guys just didnt smack it in quite hard enough.
  • SiWagonSiWagon Council Member
    :D Hey Judebert.What down?There a few exceptions.
    CAN NOT use the following right axle:

    1)4WD
    2)That base Civic HB(The HB's version of the CRX HF)
    3)CRX HF
    4)'90-'91 EX & CRX Si(May work 'cuz I think it was a heavier duty axle).
  • judebertjudebert familEE
    Ah. So, since my tranny is the '88 4WD version, it's not compatible with anything else. If they gave me the 2WD axle, it's not going to fit.

    I'm assuming, of course, that "right" means "right when you're facing the same way as the car": the passenger side for the USDM.
  • HandofBoBHandofBoB New Wagonist
    If it is an 88 get an 88 4wd axle. As stated before it does patially go in but will not snap in easy. For all that is holy, DO NOT HIT AN AXLE WITH A HAMMER TO GET IT IN! It takes some finess but it will go in. And yes, right side is passenger side.
  • SiWagonSiWagon Council Member
    HandofBoB wrote:
    If it is an 88 get an 88 4wd axle.

    4WD Wgn axles from '88-'91/96 will work too. :)
  • judebertjudebert familEE
    HandofBoB wrote:
    If it is an 88 get an 88 4wd axle.
    Boy, I wish it was that easy! After all, that's what I thought I was doing the first time.

    I'll be exchanging this axle for the proper one soon. We hope to be moving again next weekend.
  • judebertjudebert familEE
    Yeah, when we finally got the thing out, it turned out to have a smaller diameter on the tranny end than the original axle. But when we revisited the shop, the guy turned out to have missed the word "Wagon" altogether. I don't know if the 2WD and 4WD are different, but Civic and Wagon axles are definitely not interchangeable.

    We tried to reinstall the old one. It didn't bend sufficiently, and we wound up removing the whole strut to get it aligned.

    Then it wouldn't go in. We could get it to work without the hammer. We banged it on the wheel end, with the nut attached to avoid messing up the threads.

    Here's why you don't hit the axle with a hammer, even on the wheel end: you shatter the bearings. They're big donut style bearings on a flat plate, and the plate breaks easily. We shattered a second one by dropping it from 3 ft.

    Luckily, the guys at AutoZone felt bad enough about messing it up the first time that they sold me the new axle (original price $112) for the same price as the old ($60). Still, that's a two-week penalty to getting up and running.
  • phatrick2332phatrick2332 Band Wagon
    I believe that the inner joints on the rt4's are the same as the zc axles, which have the same inners as the integra ls. I had trouble getting the proper axle from advanced also, and after 8 different axles, I finally got one that was correct.
  • 8 tries? Holy cow.

    My second trip yielded an axle that fit correctly. Slid right in, with just a firm shove required to get the clip in its groove. Sweet.

    In fact, the car is now fully wired and ready to go. I just need to replace the batteries that have been damaged by long-term neglect...
  • JECJEC Band Wagon
    I have to replace the driver side axle on my wagon and when I bought one from Autozone, there was no option for wagon. Should I be worried that this one isnt going to work when I go to put it in?
  • SiWagonSiWagon Council Member
    :?: 2 or 4WD :?:
  • JECJEC Band Wagon
    sorry, 2wd, good old 1.5
  • akiraboyakiraboy HondaCivicWagon.com Founder
    JEC wrote:
    sorry, 2wd, good old 1.5
    standard issue axle, shouldn't be a prob


    Jude any updates yet, electric may be in my future.
    Maybe a smaller platform for me personally though :oops:
  • udubrx7udubrx7 Senior Wagonist
    I dunno about the 4wd ones but...

    For the 2wd models, advance auto parts shows all the same part numbers for 89-91 cv axles for any civic/crx. Same for 1988, but the spline count for 1988 is 25, and the spline count for 1989-1991 is 26.

    Axles (new or reman) from your local chain auto parts store are NOTORIOUS for going bad quickly/going bad in the box before you buy them!

    My friend who is a tech at the local honda dealer told me that the best thing to use is honda stock axles or some upgraded ones from someplace like www.driveshaftshop.com , but if you have to go with the cheap ones, try to get EMPI or Cardone Select at least.
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