koni yellow sport w/ stock springs
NEKVTEE4
Band Wagon
i'm looking for a sportier suspension without sacrificing ground clearance. i live where 15in of snow can fall overnight, so i can't really sit much lower than stock. anyone have experience running the yellows with stock springs? seems like this would be an ideal setup for those who can't ride low.
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dont listen to this guy as far as the stock ride height goes with a coil over sleeve no matter what the highest you can go on a coilover sleeve for the fronts your not going to be within stock height by a couple inches at least.
id go with that setup with the stock springs considering your living situation - i dont know about most of you guys on here but i can haul ass through turns with predictable responses from a stock suspension setup.
the fact you will be able to have damper control via knob on the konis will just enhance the stock feel
A really cool fun feature on the newer konis they have out is the spring perch adjustablility which will give you more or less height than stock depending on which level you snap the ring onto ( just make damn sure that snap ring is still effective or you will suffer severe suspension failure and it could kill ya. ) i had the pleasant expieriance my self the snap ring failed because of my own neglagence upon setting the car back down and had it fail 60 mph in a 45* turn! heed my advice! haha goodluck
id go with the stock springs at first a comperable setup would be a H&r spring setup but that will lower your car bout a inch or two i belive.
Sits like this.
I'd see if you can find a set of those. They'd be a good match for Koni Yellow valving.
They do not.
idk if you own a set or not
heres where the car sits with my sleeves almost completely maxed out height wise
im on the middle spring perch setting which means i could put it up another 1/2 inch or so but then i would have to lower the spring down by spinning the coil sleeve to lower it as the top hat is already reached contact to the coil its self its not the easiest to explain im damn near gunna draw you a diagram if you dont get it after this .
sooo idk if you need any further explaination its quite obvious i know what im talking about lol
if the shock length where the top hat bolts on to the shock was longer before the threads start you might be able to get closer but still no where near the stock height.
idk what there is to get or argue about your talking to a guy thats owned 3 sets on 3 different hondas
the wheel gap might be larger with 14" but the ride height would remain almost exactly the same as pictured above.
im assuming your suggesting compressing the coil which would preload the spring which compromises the benifit of shock travel that you would gain and will cause the ride to be bouncy as all hell .
ive forced the spring perch higher idk if you can really make out the scratch marks caused by vice grips slipping and it wouldnt raise it that much and the ride was just absolute shit.
the argument here is that you can ride a stock height with this setup and even if we were over generous with your extra inch of height you would still be like a full inch away from even the H&R spring setup pictured ( yes i know its for a integra )
a inch at least is a huge over statement lol again im curious if you too are running this setup?
i will be more than happy to try any suggestions as im tired of having to lift my car up by the fender to get a jack under it .
There are enough combos out there that you can definitely run your suspension in the sweet spot.
I am a personal fan of bilstein struts, but I come from Volvo world so I'm biased. If I ran the H&R integra lowering springs I'd sit an inch lower than what I currently do.
a full size spring for your car or integra would be the best for your requirements id opt with a integra because their made for integra weight which is closer to wagons than a civic hatch standard which is what the civic ones are made for too just a suggestion.
@ klum- The koni circlips can lower your car 25mm front and 15mm rear, not 1.5 inches. Are you running extended top hats, or did you do the shock fork trick or both with your koni/gc? I do own a set. I have 430lb springs front and 400lb springs rear with extended top hats all around. My fronts are preloaded slightly with a 2.5 finger gap. If I didn't have extended top hats in the front, the front of my car would be at stock ride height.
Quoted from honda-tech. You're more than welcome to search for any information you desire.
@greenteagod- The guys you see bouncing down the road either have blown shocks, stiff springs with underdamped shocks, or they are riding on bump stops.
i agree with the logic from the quote you had posted but i dont think i agree with how the person percives it to actually effect the car. if you have coils pressed against the top hat already NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO you will not be able to get more height out of them as the length of the shock doesnt change.
if you opted for that setup with the shock to not be secured by the bolt your just putting your self at risk of a premature shock failure or worse.
What you've been saying doesn't make any sense. We are talking about a stock replacement shock. It doesn't matter if you use stock springs or gc coilovers on koni sports, you can retain oem ride height with either.
I'm thinking your ride height problem is either:
A. Installation error
B. You have shortened koni shocks
C. You did something you're not telling us.
Regardless, my advice to the op is spot on. You are putting out misinformation.
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is it as easy as finding a lowering spring for a heavier vehicle to find a ride height close to stock? i'm assuming i can't just go out and grab some integra or accord lowering springs and slap them on. what else would i have to modify/change to fit different springs?
sushi, i was hoping to not have to go the coilover route. i'm starting to hate anything that is adjustable, it always seems to adjust itself. because replacing the stock shocks with performance shocks won't cut it, i guess i'm trying to find a shock/spring combo that won't lower my vehicle and will provide more responsive handling.
integra are interchangable
koni yellow and H&r for a integra would probably be fine and give you the feel your looking for or blistens like hes running im not sure how adjustable the dampners are on there tho
citysushi- i looked at your thread idk maybe your right maybe i have SP3's or something your coil gap is huge compared to mine and your car looks higher up
as for user error- idk how you could mess up a shock/spring job so please explain that lol
i dont know what else you can do that i couldnt tell you, i took out the old shock and spring combo and replaced it with a koni yellow and GC sleeve kit the shock forks arent shortened or nothin
If you're not looking for adjustable though I'd definitely not argue against the struts I'm running, they've got a good feel to them, though my comparison was the old suspension with 300,000 on it, and that felt like marshmallow. That combined with the few flavors of H&R springs you can go with you can probably get close enough to the height you're wanting, and then you have full on German suspension, Ja!
http://www.honda-acura.net/forums/track-and-autocross/223713-koni-yellow-vs-koni-yellow-sp3-difference-in-quality.html
thats the only thing i could think of i dont recall ever buying sp3s specifically but i have been buying from the same supplier thmotorsports.com and they might have just been sening me the sp3's and not telling me because i know how to install suspension components and i know where the max height is .
The only after market spring I know of that has higher spring rates than stock with oem(ish)ride height is H&R oe sport springs. IIRC those springs lower the car 0.5 inches.
OEM ITR springs are minty. 250front - 140/250rear spring rates, progressive rate in the rear for good ride quality. I do plow snow from time to time, but it doesn't stop me from going anywhere. Get some studded winter tires and call it a day.
There is no definitive answer as to what the OEM Wagon spring rates are, my butt has them around 190F - 150R. Maybe slightly higher rear on the RTwagons.
Above: My old white wagon. (now crushed)
Koni Yellows
ITR springs
front: lower perch
rear: middle perch (now on lowest perch)
suspension all got moved to my new brown wagon.
gunna talk all that shit and agree with me lol nice. :encouragement:
and yours have a more distinct shape like a oval mine are more cylindrical and yours have bigger spacing btwn each coil line
couldnt help but notice how different yours looks than mine in the front surprised you didnt make that connection upon my first pictured posts the shock size and spring size are obiviously different im assuming my shocks are sp3's and was just told they were normal konis and that would explain why i cant even think about running extended top hats and explain why my overall height max is shorter than yours
dont know where your getting that idea from , im not the one that thinks pre loading springs raises ride height... lol