Condensation

Howdy,

Anybody have any ideas on how to permanently get rid of condensation in headlight lenses?

I have cleaned them out several times and removed all the existing condensation but due to the wonderful cold weather it returns regularly.

Steve

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  • it helps having a small (1/16") hole drilled in the bottom most part of the light for water to escape. dont try it on the glass ones unless you have a special glass drill bit.
  • duckie8310duckie8310 Senior Wagonist
    do what Fab says, drill a very tiny hole. get all that moisture out, and when thats done, get some clear sealant and seal the whole headlight assembly so water wont get in again.
  • The lenses are glass, but not the backings.. So you can still probably drill them out.

    I always drilled them then filled them full of water then drain and take a air compressor and blow the water out..

    Always worked for me..
  • ThatDoodleThatDoodle Council Member
    take the headlights off and check for any cracks on the plastic housing. Also take some silicon and apply it to the seam where the lens meets the plastic. When you do that take your finger and smooth out the bead of silicon to make it look neat.
  • wagodizzlewagodizzle Council Member and EDM expert
    OR... go to the junkyard and spend $25 on a "new" headlight
  • You can also take them out of the car, put them in an oven and bake them for a couple minutes. You will then be able to seperate the plastic and glass and the glue will have softened. Then apply plenty of goo and put them back together. While your in there you could black out or smoke the headlights as well. You just paint everything but the curved area of the headlight housing black with high heat paint. Its a very subtle look, and nobody will probably notice it unless you tell them. It doesn't affect light output either (i did this to a hatch).

    While we are talking about headlights, did you guys ever hear of the 9005 low beam mod? It give much better light on low beams. Some people claim to have burnt the wiring because of it drawing more power, but I personally ran this for over two years on my hatch and never had any problems. It is directly plug-n-play (electrically), you just need to shave one of the plastic tabs on the bulb down a little. I would link you to the article, but I can't seem to find it. It was hosted on fourthgenhatch, but I think the site ceased to exist.

    What you do is:
    1. Buy two 9005 bulbs
    2. Take out the old low beam 9006 (I believe) bulbs
    3. Trim the one plastic tab on the new bulb as needed
    4. Plug in the new bulb
    5. Enjoy more light on low beams 8)
  • wagodizzlewagodizzle Council Member and EDM expert
    http://fourthgenhatch.net/9005

    :wink:

    i did this to all my 4th gens i've had and they work great =)
  • verderacerverderacer New Wagonist
    Thanks all for the ideas...

    What I have been doing is removing the headlight assy. then removing all the water I can by manually emptying then use an old hair dryer and I aim it at one of the openings. In about 15 minutes the moisture is gone. Had not thought of drilling a weep holes...

    On the baking idea and splitting the lens eldonciv777; how long and at what temp? What do you use to glue the 2 halves back together? I like this idea as one of my lenses has alot of accumulated dirt in it and I know I am loosing a lot of effectiveness with it.

    Steve
  • I was stuck on the whole dot com thing when I was looking for it and it turns out to be a dot net; no wonder I couldn't find it.

    I think it was 10 minutes at 400, but I'll try to find verification. Basically just take it out every couple minutes until it comes apart. Be careful not to let the plastic part touch the rack though (when I did it the plastic wasn't even soft, but you can never be too careful).

    EDIT:
    Found this on another forum:

    Now comes the fun part. Get a flat head screwdriver, both headlights, a towel, and some oven mitts and go in the kitchen. Preheat the oven to 400 degrees, spread the towel out on the counter and set the headlights on the towel. Take the lights out of the headlight (I'm not sure if cooking them would harm them or not, but I removed them anyways). Make sure you put the racks in the oven down as low as they will go and place a pan on the lowest rack to dissipate the heat. Direct heat would be bad for your headlights. After the oven preheats, TURN THE OVEN OFF! Then promptly place one of the headlights in the oven. Set a timer for two minutes.
    After two minutes of cooking, take the headlight out of the oven and set it on the towel. Make sure you use the oven mitts because it will be very hot.
    Holding the light with one hand with an oven mitt, use the flat head screwdriver with your other hand to gently and slowly pry the housing apart. You will notice that there are clips all around the headlight and you need to pop the clip up and out then pry the clear lens away from the housing. Pry around the entire headlight and once you get about halfway around it should start to come off fast and easy. By now the clear lens should be cool enough to touch, so set the screwdriver down and pull it off. Repeat for each headlight.


    Don't forget to remove the metal clips that also hold the housing and lens together before you put them in the oven. 8)
  • verderacerverderacer New Wagonist
    Most excellent... I will give it a try as soon as I can !

    Steve
  • HaydzHaydz Moderator
    Verde... are you from the USA? Because i've never seen an American use the word condensation... ;)
  • The 88-90 shuttles over here use twin blub fibreglass backed headlights. Seperating them in an oven is easy as nothing to worry about melting them.
    Tho I've discovered that althought the bulb on the low beam side has twin filiments (H4 size, usually found over here in the single bulb headlights but you switch to the second filiment for high beam) but Honda has wired it up! :shock: They certainly did on the civic with the same headlights :?
    I sometimes wonder if the designers were smoking crack on random days when they decided these things.
  • I sometimes wonder if the designers were smoking crack on random days when they decided these things.

    If they were it must have been the best stuff ever. :mrgreen:
  • wagodizzlewagodizzle Council Member and EDM expert
    HAHA :lol:
  • verderacerverderacer New Wagonist
    Yes, born and raised. Just spent a lot of time in science and engineering classes.
    Pacifier wrote:
    Verde... are you from the USA? Because i've never seen an American use the word condensation... ;)
  • duckie8310duckie8310 Senior Wagonist
    just be sure to seal them tight with silicone or whatever so its water-proof after you're done cleaning them out and ready to be put back together
  • 15 min. preheated to 210-225. we have baked fiberglass in the powdercoating oven at work, and around 350 degrees F. the fiberglass layers start to seperate and bubble apart. when i take my corner lights apart to remove the reflector, i would never go above 225 and never longer than 15 minuts. keep your eye on the oven and set a backup timer on your phone or somthing in case you have A.D.D. :wink:
  • SiWagonSiWagon Council Member
    9005 conversions been covered here.I don't recommend it.See link for why & a better idea :
    http://www.hondacivicwagon.com/board/vi ... hlight=900


    The better idea:Read daven's posting(10th posting) & the link to the HIR bulbs.
    http://www.hondacivicwagon.com/board/vi ... hlight=hir
  • wagodizzlewagodizzle Council Member and EDM expert
    it all depends. i've had the 9005 conversion for 2 years now, and i love it...

    i cant argue about facts though when it comes to bulb life, but i think for a simple and cheap mod its fair game.
  • I had the 9005 conversion in my hatch and never blew one in 2+ years as my daily driver. I had some $10 philips bulbs that I got from k-mart. They were superbright too. If I was following a friend, it wasn't uncommon for them to ask me if I had my high beams on when we arrived. I would ask them if they were aimed to high and in their mirrors, and they always said "no they were just super bright".

    I think I might try a pair of the 9005 HIR and see how it goes. If I do, I'll definately post something up about it and the results. I googled it and a guy did it on a suby forum and said all you gotta do is shave down a tab like we already have to do, so it isn't a big deal. Off to do more research.....
  • I did some research and it seems that the HIR might be a worthy upgrade. Just for your info:

    9005 HIR = 9011
    9006 HIR = 9012

    Apparently GE originally patented the design and had problems with longevity so they sold the patent to toshiba. Toshiba improved the design and these are what you want to buy. These also don't draw any more power than stock lights either; they just have improved light output due to their technology. So you can buy these on ebay for $25 each ($8 shipping for up to 8 pieces) and I ordered two 9011. I'll post up pics of the before/after comparison of the high beams once I get them. If they work good, I will be buying two more for the low beams. Expect it within a week or so....

    EDIT: found some links with pictures on honda-tech, so compare for yourselves... I'm gonna order two more :twisted:

    http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1764499
    http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1325662
  • SiWagonSiWagon Council Member
    I blew out 2 9005 bulbs.I got 1 each of the 9011(9005HIR) &9012(9006 HIR).They are bright.Blows the 9005 conversion out of the water & that's with just 1 bulb.Thx davens.The guy is selling them on Ebay.Just punch in HIR in the search.
  • wagodizzlewagodizzle Council Member and EDM expert
    so those 9011s plug straight into the original plugs no modification required?
  • duckie8310duckie8310 Senior Wagonist
    i kinda wish my G takes 9006. i would have swapped over my Silverstars from the wagon and not worried about buying another pair. i really wanna try these bulbs out, but the G takes HB2(9003). i went out and spent the $35 or so for a new set up Silverstars, which arent too bad.
  • SiWagonSiWagon Council Member
    Wago Dude wrote:
    so those 9011s plug straight into the original plugs no modification required?

    No.U need to trim it similar to the 9005 conversion.Easy can be done with a file.I'm HAPPY with just the 1 bulb I put in. :shock:
  • duckie8310duckie8310 Senior Wagonist
    hmm so it's totally worth the $50 per pair?
  • It seems so. Remember most the hi-perf 9005/6 bulbs are almost that expensive and have shorter life spans.
  • duckie8310duckie8310 Senior Wagonist
    i only wish they made different size bulbs
  • SiWagonSiWagon Council Member
    duckie8310 wrote:
    hmm so it's totally worth the $50 per pair?

    That's why I went 1 each.
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