91 RT outta the northwest!

Alright, so I picked up this adventuremobile today. And it just so happened to be from a member form the forums, turbo_teg. 1991 RT with 244K on the odometer. Not a perfect car by any means, but I've looked at MUCH worse in the past few weeks and this will work just fine. Not going to be lowering it or making it go fast. My passion is the open road and getting out there to see it all, mainly here in the northwest. This car has a few issues that I'll be sorting out quick enough. I don't make a shit ton of money, so it's gonna be a slow process, but realistically, I'm just looking for a road trip worthy vehicle that ends up looking decent as well. This does have me thinking about trying to track down a one owner 2WD model to have some real fun with :)
So here are the pictures I grabbed with the iPhone after driving it the 90 miles home. Like I said, needs some work, but I have two parts wagons to pick from and no kids to sidetrack me :P


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  • First up, get all my lights fixed, working and keeping water out. The rear taillight isn't holding a seal and seems be letting water into the back of the car, which should explain the condensation inside. My two other wagons have good taillights, so I'm good getting that fixed. Corner lights are fucked, but again, I have those.

    Second, getting all the fluids checked, changed and/or topped off. I'll most likely do everything, just so I know I'm at square one and get it on a schedule. Also needs a thermostat.

    After that, not really sure. I just want to make sure I can get from here to wherever without any issue and then worry about aesthetics. I would like to get the wheels nice and white, do an LED mod to the cluster, put some LED's elsewhere in the vehicle since I find myself sleeping in the back on road trips, some small LED's along the roof line somehow would be sick or under the dash at the feet.

    Needs some body work, but I have a donor fender that should work good after some paint. Doors should be fixable, though I have doors I can swap out as well if I really wanted to. I think down the road I'll get a new paint job since this seems to be number two paint job. I've got a friend that sprays for a living, so I should be able to get a nice job on the cheap.

    I did a compression test before I bought the car as well. turbo_teg said he's sold a ton of cars and never had anyone test compression, but being I've bought and sold more than a few jetski's, just something I'm used to doing. Looked good across all four cylinders.

    If anyone has the cap in the back area in grey, would be stoked to pick one of those up since one is missing. Stoked on the speaker pods though!
  • CharbCharb Administrator
    Nice pick up!

    I actually begged Matt to trade me my 2wd for this... no luck lol

    Look forward to seeing progress!
  • He said you might try and talk me out of the wheels, lol.
  • 90 RT4WD (Cody)90 RT4WD (Cody) Senior Wagonist
    love the wagon, I like that your going to keep it at stock height, good luck!
  • CharbCharb Administrator
    geezfools wrote: »
    He said you might try and talk me out of the wheels, lol.

    Probably not until after Christmas. But ya, pm me if you decide to part with them, and we'll see where I'm at...
  • 1.5 ef1.5 ef Band Wagon
    looks good, i love the red wagons, i should of kept my rt rims, lol
  • Before I go test for emissions, I needed to change the thermostat since it wouldn't stay at normal operating temp on my drive home yesterday. It was raining pretty tough when we looked at the car and even though I did a compression check, I failed to catch on to the motor not being original. No wonder it sounded so good for a car with 244K on it. Motor is a D16A6, which is kinda cool. This should make for some easy HP down the road if I understand correctly. I'm not a big Honda guy, so I'm still learning a ton, so pardon the ignorance, lol.
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    Anyways, went and picked up the duralast thermostat from autozone, as well as a new gasket. Was a bitch getting it out and back in and with my neighbor coming over to ask why I have a second wagon in my driveway, took me a couple of hours.

    After all was said and done, I started 'er up, idle and added coolant back in as it needed it. I had the heat blowing on high as well. I was worried since the car wasn't getting up to temp. So I killed the heat and within a minute, it went up to what I think is normal and it stayed there. I don't have tabs yet, so no idea how it'll treat me on the roads, but I have no reason to think I should have anymore issues.

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    Also, I drove my FWD 5spd for a couple of years and this RT shifts so much different and the noise the shifter makes is new. Is this normal? I shot a video of me going through the gears.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4YsoKN0Qio
  • 90 RT4WD (Cody)90 RT4WD (Cody) Senior Wagonist
    I would say yes its normal, but some of your small busing in the shifter box could be worn, also the small rubber bushings where the two shifting cables connect. All right under your center console, and easy to get to and check out, also you could take that center console/shifter cover off just to grease up all the linkage. that may help..
  • Sweet, I'll add it to the list of things to check up on and see if there is anything fishy going on, thanks dude!
  • bam-bambam-bam Council Member
    The cable shifter in the RT is much different than the rod-shifted 2wd. It takes some getting used to. I would say that with 244k, you could have some bushing wear, too. Check to see if the bushings are available before taking it apart, though!

    The temp.gauge reading you show is dead-on normal.
  • turbo_tegturbo_teg Council Member
    Glad your loving the car. Oh and BTW i found that thermostat yesterday barried in my womans back seat which is strange cuz i dont remember driving it at all lately.... I dont know if I just miss read what you wrote above but the RTs came stock with d16a6s did you think they had d15s? I might have just read it wrong.
  • turbo_tegturbo_teg Council Member
    the part where most of your slp in the shifter is gunna be this bushing. this pic is super old

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    and the new one installed

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  • turbo_tegturbo_teg Council Member
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  • GriftyGrifty Wagonist
    With that cable bushing you are missing you can use one off an auto Mazda 3, you will have to cut it slightly and will require some force to fit it :)
  • turbo_teg wrote: »
    Glad your loving the car. Oh and BTW i found that thermostat yesterday barried in my womans back seat which is strange cuz i dont remember driving it at all lately.... I dont know if I just miss read what you wrote above but the RTs came stock with d16a6s did you think they had d15s? I might have just read it wrong.

    You read it right and the more I looked into the RT's and looked at other builds, I realized they did come stock with it, lol. I'm doing emissions today, always nervous about that when it's a new car, but we'll see what happens...
  • Grifty wrote: »
    With that cable bushing you are missing you can use one off an auto Mazda 3, you will have to cut it slightly and will require some force to fit it :)

    I did a quick search for it and came up with #9 on this: http://www.hondapartswholesaledirect.com/oem-part/honda/civic-parts/1989/5dr-4wd-1600/ka5mt/chassis/shift-lever-2-4wd/bush-change-lever-pivot/54113-sf1-013
    or part# 54113-sf1-013

    Looks like it's long gone, so I'll dig into this sometime this week and see what's going on and then maybe look into that mazda 3 part.

    thanks!
  • Alright, car passed emissions. I didn't get the usual print out to know if I was close, beat it by a long shot or anything, just a pass. That's done and over with and now I can concentrate on getting this thing to a point where I can trust it driving to California and back if I wanted it to. Not that it wouldn't, but I wanna go through everything and make sure all the little noises are normal, all the fluids are new/filled up and I'm confident in it's abilities to keep me on the road.
    So with the 45 minutes of day light that I had after work and dodging kids looking for candy (halloween), I swapped out the taillight and one of the front corners and fixed the burned out front signal bulb. I had about two inches of water in the back, driver side little holder and I was told that would be from the cracked taillight. I swapped in a new assembly, sponged out as much of the water as possible and now I wait to see if that fixes it. The original gasket was pretty thin and worn out and the one on my spare taillight wasn't the best either, but I think it should get me by until I know that it's keeping the water out. Any other things to keep an eye on back there, as far as possible leaks? Really would like to get rid of the condensation since I have a bit of freeway driving in the mornings. I heard putting some BBQ briquettes in the back will absorb any leftover moisture.
    Next up is getting that other corner fixed and changing the oil, then getting some tunes in this bad boy. I think next weekend a buddy of mine will help me dig a little deeper into the engine and possibly do a timing belt and water pump, just to be safe. Also looking to get a hitch on this beast as soon as possible so I can get the jetski to the lake, as well as a roof rack. Done rambling for now...
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  • Alright, taillight seems to be fine, so when I went to check in that little cavity behind the wheel, it was full of water. Hmmmmm, what about the other side? That's filled as well? About two inches deep on both sides? Grrr... Thanks to a thread started in the bodywork section and just having the time to look, i think I may have narrowed it down.

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    Now I need to figure out how to remove the gutter strip and either replace it, delete it or put it back. While it's out, remove the paint, seal it temporarily until I strip the entire car for paint (down the road a year or two).

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    Random shot via the iPhone on the way home today.
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  • geezfools wrote: »
    I did a quick search for it and came up with #9 on this: http://www.hondapartswholesaledirect.com/oem-part/honda/civic-parts/1989/5dr-4wd-1600/ka5mt/chassis/shift-lever-2-4wd/bush-change-lever-pivot/54113-sf1-013
    or part# 54113-sf1-013

    Looks like it's long gone, so I'll dig into this sometime this week and see what's going on and then maybe look into that mazda 3 part.

    thanks!

    I was referring to the part where the cable slips onto the shifter, (where you used electrical tape). Sorry for any misunderstanding.

    Hmm seems weird part #9 is no longer available, I purchased 2x of them from Honda Australia. They were not in stock so they were remade for me by Honda Japan. I was able to buy all the shifter bushes brand new except for part #10.

    I might still have the invoices with part numbers if you need them.
  • Grifty wrote: »
    I was referring to the part where the cable slips onto the shifter, (where you used electrical tape). Sorry for any misunderstanding.

    Hmm seems weird part #9 is no longer available, I purchased 2x of them from Honda Australia. They were not in stock so they were remade for me by Honda Japan. I was able to buy all the shifter bushes brand new except for part #10.

    I might still have the invoices with part numbers if you need them.

    Let me pull it apart sometime in the next week to see how everything looks, unless you have the invoice somewhat handy. Don't wanna waste a bunch of your time, especially when I need to get the leaking fixed and a couple of other minor issues. But it would be nice to clean up some of the slop...
  • Part number for item #6: 54110SF1003
    Part number for item #9: 54113SF1013
    Part number for item #17: 54210SD9013

    All of these parts were re-made by Honda Japan after I put in requests. They didn't remake part #10 though.

    They all show up as available here http://www.lingshondaparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection.php?block_01=18SH501&block_02=B__3501&block_03=9327
  • turbo_tegturbo_teg Council Member
    Any updates or plans?
  • Sorry, work has been super hectic (good thing I suppose). Left front brake was making some noise and since I did the brakes on my parts wagon right before it blew up, figured I would just swap the pads over and be done. After taking the pads off the parts wagon, putting the wheels back on and everything, I found out that I basically needed to redo the entire system on both sides of this wagon. The drivers side rotor was super pitted and I don't even know if turning it would have been worth it. The calipers were pretty bad too and I just said fuck it and took rotor, calipers and pads from the parts wagon and threw them on. Bled the brakes and no more noise. But now the muffler is starting to sound gross and I'm sure it's pretty rusty too. So I'm looking at options and seeing if I know anyone who can bend an exhaust from the cat back or just take it in and have it done and move on to other things.

    The o-ring on the dizzy isn't doing it's job, so a little oil is getting by, nothing crazy, but I'll be doing that and if anything, will probably just pull the dizzy off the parts car and throwing it in.

    Still have some water leaking going on in the back. I threw a little sealant on it and it seems a little better, but I'll get the water out and a couple days later it's full again (if it's raining). So I'm gonna take the rear hatch off, take a wire brush to it and get all the flaky paint off and really get it clean and then seal the fuck out of it and make sure that if that's where the water is coming from, it's stops. Foggy windows are annoying.

    I mean, overall. This car is gonna stay mostly stock to maintain MPG and reliability. Which is why I want to come pick up that motor from you (turbo_teg). Figure I'll grab that, clean it up and more or less get it ready to drop into this wagon once warmer weather shows up. Then I might get a little crazy on the current motor and try to get a little more pulling power for the little trailer I want to eventually pull behind this car.

    I have taken a few longer drives and seems to do well. It's a little rough on the edges, but I'm happy with it and will keep putting some work into it and making it a reliable driver to get me out and about.
  • turbo_tegturbo_teg Council Member
    Oh that was you texting me. Im so horrible about saving numbers.
  • I didn't text about the engine, but lets say I did and that way I have dibs on it and someone else doesn't. Though I was pretty quick in response in your thread. Let me know if it's still up for grabs, I'd love to get it.
  • turbo_tegturbo_teg Council Member
    Yeah if u want it let me know. Trying to fund my k24 build for my EP I bought a motor that was suposed to be cherry.... ended up having spun rod bearing so h beam rods and forged pistons are in order.
  • Finally just scored a service manual on eBay for $20. It's the 89 version, but figure it should work until I can get a good deal on the 91 version. $50 is not a good deal, $20-30 is more my style.

    This week I'm hoping to dig into the IACV since I have to give it a little gas while cranking to get it to start and stay started. After about 15 seconds I can let go of the pedal and it idles perfectly.

    Gonna pull the headliner at some point and start work on the hatch/leak issue and see what's going on. Hoping I don't have to replace the hinges, but will probably pull them, seal the fuck out of where it connects to the car and lube them up. If anyone has any suggestions on what else could be leaking, let me know.

    Sounds like I'm gonna go grab a ZC from turbo_teg this upcoming weekend as well. Will be cleaning it up (sounds like that should be easy, lol) and will be getting it ready to throw into this wagon next spring. Super stoked to do that since I'm jealous of everyone and their super clean engine bays and pretty engines, heh.
  • Removing the headliner will not help you fix the water leak. To fix your leak:

    Remove those rubber strips in your rain gutters. Clean out the exposed gutters. You'll notice cracks - the source of your leak. Pump a shitload of caulk down in there. With the caulk still wet/gooey, re-install the rubber strips. Also add caulk wherever you see cracks around the rear hatch hinges. The body sealer has expanded/contracted over time and developed cracks. This is a very common problem on all EF's.

    Those gutter strips have metal inside them and if you're not careful, you'll bend them in the removal process... so take care. Start at the rear and go slow. Use a screwdriver to pry them up. I practiced on an EF sedan at the junk yard before removing mine. If you do happen to bend them, you can re-shape them before re-installing. You'll probably have to do that anyway to get them to match the curve of the roof.
  • I read an article after posting that about the body sealer. As far as I understand, they don't make the strips anymore either. I think I'll still pull the hatch at some point, but after reading that article and your suggestions, seems like pulling the headliner would be a waste of time, thanks :)
  • Don't use caulk, use a urethane (body mtrl). This will help prevent future splits, seal out water (and seal w/e water is already in there) and would also serve as a hardening bed to lay the strip back down in if you decide to reinstall it.

    Also check your rear hatch hinge plate areas (where they form into the body), lots of cracks show up there as well.
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