h2d rt4wd?

so can you use the h2d adapter and keep rt4wd? i can't find any where that says yes or no just maybe or maybe not. if you can i am going to do everything i can (short of selling myself) to try and do this.
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  • turbo_tegturbo_teg Council Member
    thats awsome i never even knew they made a d to h kit. its a lot cheaper than i thought it would be if u can do it i say go for it im sure it would be the only h22 wagon still running 4wd out there.
  • HaydzHaydz Moderator
    I really don't think the gearbox will handle it.

    Why not just run the RT4WD box out of an accord?
  • jpciiijpciii familEE
    Pacifier wrote:

    Why not just run the RT4WD box out of an accord?

    what??? 4wd accord?
  • curtcurt Wagonist
    i thought i read that the wagon could handle abot 200 hp?
    i recived an email; from them saying it would work in my EE but i am trying to confirm that i can retain rt4wd. the even said the are working on a driveside mount for the kit.
  • curtcurt Wagonist
    its auto and then i would have to change all my mounts, axles, possibly a whole lot of other crap.

    i know with this kit if it works i can keep my transmisson axles all mount minus driverside, and shifter etc... it woukd still be a lot of work and i would have to save up quite a bit of cash. probably around $2500.
  • HaydzHaydz Moderator
    jpciii wrote:
    Pacifier wrote:

    Why not just run the RT4WD box out of an accord?

    what??? 4wd accord?

    Yeah JDM/EDM Accord using F-series motor (will bolt up to H-series). It would need to be imported.
  • curtcurt Wagonist
    (8:28 PM 7/1/2007) curt801: so the h2d plate can it work with a 88 rt4wd tranny.
    (11:25 AM 7/4/2007) Bisimoto: Yes, sir, but you would have to make a custom driverside mount at this time.
    (11:26 AM 7/4/2007) curt801: when do you think you will have the mounts?
    (11:27 AM 7/4/2007) Bisimoto: My mounts are due this month for the EF chassis...only a customer install in an EE wagon will ensure fittiment.
    (11:27 AM 7/4/2007) curt801: so it will allow me to use the half shaft? has any tried it with a rt4wd wagon? how is your wagon coming?
    (11:30 AM 7/4/2007) Bisimoto: No wagon customers yet...and the half shaft would require slight modification. My EE is doing well, thanks.
    (11:33 AM 7/4/2007) curt801: any idea on the mods?
    (11:36 AM 7/4/2007) Bisimoto: I would have to see a pic of the undercarriage and top of the EE trans assembly.
  • curtcurt Wagonist
    so if anyone wants to give me $
  • SiWagonSiWagon Council Member
    :evil: Some points you may want to consider:
    1) The ???? is whether the 4WD tranny can handleT :twisted: RQUE .IMO the 4Wd tranny isn't that strong.I don't know the weak point,but have seen many 4WD Wgn ads w/bad trannies.I did see one w/a exploded transfer gear to the rear.This one could have been avoided if the owner had taken it into the dealer when she heard the tranny making loud noises.It may be OK if you roll into the throttle rather than STUMP on the gas pedal.Do you have the discipline :?:
    2) Check the weight difference of the 2 motors.The EXTRA weight may play havoc with your handling.The 4WD may help,but you may not get the HP to ground w/o a LSD.There's a JDM LSD.See my link:
    http://www.hondacivicwagon.com/board/vi ... .php?t=595
    W/O the LSD you'll probably find the car useless for draggin or auto-Xing.You may find both inside tires lighting up.
    3)The AT may need different mounts.Current recommendation:You must install a trans cooler.
    Read my link on Auto gearboxes at the bottom:
    http://www.hondacivicwagon.com/board/vi ... .php?t=103
  • curtcurt Wagonist
    thanks for all the tips. my car is the 6 spd. so what tires get the power on our wagons? this is going to be a long process it will take me awhile to save up the $2500 or so that I think it will take me to get this done. that includes upgraded suspension, long block, exhaust, adapter plate, etc....
  • From what I am getting , this D-to-H conversion will be more $$ than doing a mild turbo set-up or supercharger!!!
    Plust noone knows what 4WD tranny can handle! I don't think much - 150-170HP :?:
    But than again, what do I know :?: :?: :!: :!: :|
    IMHO!
  • HaydzHaydz Moderator
    farfetched wrote:
    Plust noone knows what 4WD tranny can handle! I don't think much - 150-170HP :?:

    200HP give or take a bit is what it can handle but as SiWagon stated its the torque you need to worry about, which no-one has really pushed.

    I think most of the RT4WD transmissions are strong but in the states you guys seem to put alot of mileage on your cars and that may be the main contributing factor to their demise.
  • curtcurt Wagonist
    curt wrote:
    so what tires get the power on our wagons?
  • curtcurt Wagonist
    the turbo kit i have almost complete will run me about $600.

    if torque will do me in then maybe the f20b will be a better choice.

    F20B
    Accord/Troneo Sir and Sir-T (CF4) (JDM)
    197hp@7200/145tq@6600
    http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc200 ... item=30013
    http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2018500

    H22A
    200Hp 161Trq 10.6 Compression (JDM)
    http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc200 ... item=30028
  • SiWagonSiWagon Council Member
    curt wrote:
    so what tires get the power on our wagons?

    :? Why ask us.Your avatar shows u auto-Xing.Ask those guys.

    :arrow: To answer your ???Tyres will help alot.There is NO cheap will to do it.I'm glad you're taking it slow.It saves probs & $$$$Here's your options:

    1)Tyres=NOT really cheap 'cuz tyres that grip well don't last long.Look at YOKOHAMA.This company has got their act together.They can make tyres that grip & last a long time,which BFG & Good Year can't seem to do.
    2Phatom Grip=1/2 *ss answer,but maybe the cheapest.They probably don't make a kit for the 4WD Wgn.

    3)Convert to a 2WD Si tranny w/LSD.This is your best compromise.

    All the following are your best answers BUT are BLING!BLING!

    4)Traction Control=This & option#1 can be used with the rest of these options.
    5)JDM Honda front & rear(ALB) LSD.Depending on the cost of the rear LSD.Another option is modding in a LSD& Diff out of a Datsun 240Z+ or some other rear diff w/LSD.Don't use MIATA=too weak.A trick we use to do was to weld up the rear pumpkin.Basically a FULL LOCK POSI.May not be too streetable,but fun.
  • turbo_tegturbo_teg Council Member
    i see the f/h2d cable tranny kits are $649. and they said they going to be making a d2b adapter so now all these dam people asking questions about putting a b-series in a 4wd wagon have hope unless your shenrie and smart enough to make CRV parts work.
  • adamEFwagonadamEFwagon Senior Wagonist
    can you do b2d?
  • turbo_tegturbo_teg Council Member
    not yet but its a matter of time before someone makes the kit.
  • adamEFwagonadamEFwagon Senior Wagonist
    why not do h2b with a crv tranny?
  • turbo_tegturbo_teg Council Member
    IMO it would just be a pain in the ass if u leave a d-series tranny in there u can use the stock driveline, axles, mounts (except the drivers side of course) shift cables, rear diff ect ect. if u put a CRV tranny theres a lot more BS.
  • kamanari1kamanari1 New Wagonist
    check out epictuning they have done an awd conversion to their ef and they are pushin over 400hp doing about 80 hard launches with no problems so thats proof that it can take more than 200hp
  • DD Wagonist
    kamanari1 wrote:
    check out epictuning they have done an awd conversion to their ef and they are pushin over 400hp doing about 80 hard launches with no problems so thats proof that it can take more than 200hp

    I would disagree with your comment, as i have recently opened up transmission of said vehicle.
  • JakerJaker familEE
    D wrote:
    I would disagree with your comment, as i have recently opened up transmission of said vehicle.

    Please, please tell me what you found.
  • turbo_tegturbo_teg Council Member
    after having my wagon boosted for about a year or so and beating the piss out of it making tons of high 13 low 14 second passes not to mention the abuse it took on the streets im more than confident an rt4wd tranny is way tuffer than people think. i know i might have only had a stock motor prolly makein around 200hp but it took a whoopin and never got any worse than it already was. man i need to start workin again im buying another wagon i swear and its gunna be rollin an f22 turbo ive got a buddy with a wrecked accord with the motor i need he doesnt know it yet but hes selling me the motor :D
  • DD Wagonist
    Jaker wrote:
    D wrote:
    I would disagree with your comment, as i have recently opened up transmission of said vehicle.

    Please, please tell me what you found.

    It's not in horrible shape, it just has pretty much no synchro's left, or engagement dogs on any of the gearsets. Havn't pulled the shafts yet to inspect bearings, trying to get the rebuild done sometime this weekend. I just found the previous comment "80 hard launches with no problems" more than a bit of an exaggeration. I know that car has gone through a handful of clutches, and the current one was quite new, but the pressure plate spring retainers are twisted and not allowing the PP to disengage.

    By no means do i believe that the 4x4 trans are weak, but if you "hard launch", you will break stuff. That car has been abused, no doubt.
  • JakerJaker familEE
    So in reality the transmission is in no worse shape than a regular FWD tranny that was treated the same way would be under similar circumstances. I also understand that 4WD would load the clutch in a much more violent manner than FWD, and that would probably account for it's condition.

    I am now breathing a sigh of relief. You had me worried there for a little bit. While you're in there, could you take a closer look at the transfer case gears/bearings for me?
  • kamanari1kamanari1 New Wagonist
    like i said check them out they are running just fine and i talked to them and the car is still running today. proof that they are tougher than people would think. just because its a sohc tranny doesnt mean its weak
  • curtcurt Wagonist
    too bad Mista Bone doesn't post anymore.
  • DD Wagonist
    kamanari1 wrote:
    like i said check them out they are running just fine and i talked to them and the car is still running today. proof that they are tougher than people would think. just because its a sohc tranny doesnt mean its weak

    your posts make no sense, epic doesn't own the car anymore, and currently it has no transmission and likes to eat clutches.
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