949 he mentioned it eariler. its going to be a frankenstein brake setup. going to need disc's form one honda, calipers and brackets from another and maybe pads from another.
should be easy to source the needed parts either way. the only thing missing thats not oem is his bracket and maybe a lil modding to the trailing arm and other things...
i am wondering about the e brake. but that might be easy to. idk
I'm planning on offering Centric rebuilt calipers, as well, and they do come with the e-brake cable bracket. Until I can get everything mounted to the car, I can only speculate, but the DA e-brake cable is very close to the length of the Wagon cable...and I have one sitting in the garage waiting to test fit.
Probably because doodles setup was over 1000-1200 bucks and nobody was interested. If a decent set of brackets can be made for a decent price people can source their own parts and fab up their own stuff. Doodle's stuff was legit, but most on here are just not willing to put up that kind of cash.
Probably because doodles setup was over 1000-1200 bucks and nobody was interested. If a decent set of brackets can be made for a decent price people can source their own parts and fab up their own stuff. Doodle's stuff was legit, but most on here are just not willing to put up that kind of cash.
ohhhh, i now understand. so this is just the bracket. which will allow for us to use any caliper on the current arms. right...
I have already rear calipers from CRX ED9, and rear disc from MG ZR (same as 02-03 Civic Si but easier to find it in Europe).
I will only need your brackets, for the handbrake brackets I can modifiy mine easily.
Do you think it is possible to have these brackets in the next 2-3weeks?
If not, I think i will build my own brackets because I can't wait more, I have to move my car...
I have next weekend slated to get design 3 and possibly design 4 (hopefully not, but I am budgeting time for it) completed and test fitted so i can get the final design to the machinist the week after.
Happening starting tomorrow. Assuming all of the kinks get ironed out, the final design will be to the machinist the beginning of next week. Should be a 1-2 week lead time assuming he doesn't have any big projects in process.
i recently went to a car meet/show and the company Wilwood was there. i looked at the samples they had and talked to the guys at the booth. i noticed that the brakes they brought was made out of aluminum. i never thought aluminum was strong enough to be used as brakes.
i was curious if aluminum brackets would be strong enough for the brakes?
because i have a guy who can CNC anything for me.
i recently went to a car meet/show and the company Wilwood was there. i looked at the samples they had and talked to the guys at the booth. i noticed that the brakes they brought was made out of aluminum. i never thought aluminum was strong enough to be used as brakes.
i was curious if aluminum brackets would be strong enough for the brakes?
because i have a guy who can CNC anything for me.
theres soo many differnt types and strengths of aluminum so saying would this work without knowing what type is very hard.
also people might use plastics and softer metals to make a prototype because its easier to machine so you can mock it up faster to see if the sizes work. gives you a faster real world idea if it works or not. the cost to machine hard steels is alot more than a soft plastic. tools and machine waering.
Happening starting tomorrow. Assuming all of the kinks get ironed out, the final design will be to the machinist the beginning of next week. Should be a 1-2 week lead time assuming he doesn't have any big projects in process.
i sent you my cell number. call me as soon as you get a price for me
I've studied the two side by side, even as far as putting the RT drum brake backing plate on the 2wd arm. Looks to me like the bigger center hole (for the cv joint) is the big difference. In all other dimensions the trailing arm is the same.
I didn't think to check hub offset at the time, maybe that is different but I doubt it.
I think that if a bracket is made to work on the 4wd, it will work on the 2wd, but not necessarily vice-versa
now for 2wd talk:
i wonder if i could unbolt the spindle on the 2wd wagons and bolt in the civic rear disc's? i know ppl do it if they just put new bushes in the trialing arms on other model civics.
Look in my cnotecivic thread, you'll see what was involved in my 2wd/DA Integra rear disc swap. Similar to that "nobodysuspects..." method, but far less crude.
The last revision is going to the machinist next week. I will be having him cut one set and that will be going on my car for testing.
The design, while passing the stress test, needs to be validated and the only car I feel comfortable doing this on is mine. I do have some autoXes setup to run in the next couple of months.
I apologize if this process is too slow for some of you that are interested, but if there is going to be a problem I don't want it to be on any of your cars with you driving and loved ones riding.
I do appreciate your patience, but I'm going to do this right, even if it adds some time to market.
The last revision is going to the machinist next week. I will be having him cut one set and that will be going on my car for testing.
The design, while passing the stress test, needs to be validated and the only car I feel comfortable doing this on is mine. I do have some autoXes setup to run in the next couple of months.
I apologize if this process is too slow for some of you that are interested, but if there is going to be a problem I don't want it to be on any of your cars with you driving and loved ones riding.
I do appreciate your patience, but I'm going to do this right, even if it adds some time to market.
Thanks LowFlyin' !! I appreciate the above! :encouragement:
Until some resident "expert" explains to me why not, I...maintain that if a setup fits the RT it will also fit the 2wd.
Where is the critical difference?
The reason it doesNOT work is the difference in the splindle/axle housing diameter.You could make a 2/4 WD adapter,BUT strength would be HIGHLY compromised .The mounting holes would be too close to the edge & some overlap.
The adapter design could be used loosely(no pun intended) to design both adapters.
He posted two weeks ago he has to test these in the next COUPLE OF MONTHS in some events he has planned. I am sure he will post when they have been thoroughly tested and ready for sale. Be patient.
I am patient, I just ask if he receives his parts, like he said two weeks ago... nothing really bad... I only show my interest.
Sorry if I interfere, i will avoid to post next time.
The last design was finalized and sent to the machinist. I also decided to ship him the RTA assembly so if there were any small adjustments they could be made on the fly instead of playing the back and forth game.
I'm in a holding pattern at this time while the part is being cut and test fit.
One way or another I've been planning on converting my fwd to disc before March. If you need a non-RT4WD car to test fit it onto I will buy one. My only catch is that you let me return it if it doesn't fit. I'll take the risk and cover all of the shipping here and back if it doesn't. This is all assuming that the only difference is that the RT4WD has a larger hole to accommodate the axle and all else is identical. Any chance we could work something like that out?
Final design is to the machinist. I plan to have a working conversion on my wagon by the end of September. I'd like a couple months of DD and track duty on this set before rolling it through production.
So, best case, I have them ready to go for December - January.
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on the 4wd wagons of course.
should be easy to source the needed parts either way. the only thing missing thats not oem is his bracket and maybe a lil modding to the trailing arm and other things...
i am wondering about the e brake. but that might be easy to. idk
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You'll need to make e-brake brktS.LowFlyin's prototype doesn't show one.
he knows what he is doing.
ohhhh, i now understand. so this is just the bracket. which will allow for us to use any caliper on the current arms. right...
Where is the critical difference?
i would like integra rear disc brakes.
if the 2wd works on the rt4wd then why dont we just use those?
I will only need your brackets, for the handbrake brackets I can modifiy mine easily.
Do you think it is possible to have these brackets in the next 2-3weeks?
If not, I think i will build my own brackets because I can't wait more, I have to move my car...
Happening starting tomorrow. Assuming all of the kinks get ironed out, the final design will be to the machinist the beginning of next week. Should be a 1-2 week lead time assuming he doesn't have any big projects in process.
i was curious if aluminum brackets would be strong enough for the brakes?
because i have a guy who can CNC anything for me.
theres soo many differnt types and strengths of aluminum so saying would this work without knowing what type is very hard.
also people might use plastics and softer metals to make a prototype because its easier to machine so you can mock it up faster to see if the sizes work. gives you a faster real world idea if it works or not. the cost to machine hard steels is alot more than a soft plastic. tools and machine waering.
i sent you my cell number. call me as soon as you get a price for me
The critical difference is I don't have a 2WD RTA available to verify it is the same.
I didn't think to check hub offset at the time, maybe that is different but I doubt it.
I think that if a bracket is made to work on the 4wd, it will work on the 2wd, but not necessarily vice-versa
also with some digging i found this guy who made custom brackets for the 94 rear si brakes on a rt4wd back in 2003 and pics still work
http://yota1man.tripod.com/vtecwagon/id3.html
heres another one with the rt4wd and rear disc's.
http://www.azht.net/forum/showthread.php?t=128854
now for 2wd talk:
i wonder if i could unbolt the spindle on the 2wd wagons and bolt in the civic rear disc's? i know ppl do it if they just put new bushes in the trialing arms on other model civics.
http://www.nobodysuspectsthewagon.com/disc-brakes-all-around.html
also looks like he just bolted it in.... but he had to shave off some "extra" metal honda put there to clear the caliper.
http://www.angelfire.com/az3/hondawagon/brakes.html
The design, while passing the stress test, needs to be validated and the only car I feel comfortable doing this on is mine. I do have some autoXes setup to run in the next couple of months.
I apologize if this process is too slow for some of you that are interested, but if there is going to be a problem I don't want it to be on any of your cars with you driving and loved ones riding.
I do appreciate your patience, but I'm going to do this right, even if it adds some time to market.
Thanks LowFlyin' !! I appreciate the above! :encouragement:
The reason it doesNOT work is the difference in the splindle/axle housing diameter.You could make a 2/4 WD adapter,BUT strength would be HIGHLY compromised .The mounting holes would be too close to the edge & some overlap.
The adapter design could be used loosely(no pun intended) to design both adapters.
Sorry if I interfere, i will avoid to post next time.
I'm in a holding pattern at this time while the part is being cut and test fit.
Final design is to the machinist. I plan to have a working conversion on my wagon by the end of September. I'd like a couple months of DD and track duty on this set before rolling it through production.
So, best case, I have them ready to go for December - January.