To satisfy the requests of those most interested in a RDC, another part needs to be designed and made and several parts that do exist need a few alterations to make them fit properly. This adds cost to something I already think is going to be a high ticket item that the actual cost to make available is going to turn a lot of you off.
I'm multi-4-digits into this project already and I still only have a working caliper on my car, with no e-brake.
I do still want to produce this, but it's the unknowns and lack of real free time that have kept me from pushing forward.
ok, so i just read through this entire threat/post
i'm going to be calling Lowflyin' and hopefully order the break adapter that he's made
but my scenario is a little tricky lol
basically i'm rebuilding my 1990 CRX Si into AWD using an LS/Vtec motor, an AWD 5 Speed CRV trans, Civic wagon driveline with VC, wagon rear diff, wagon subframe, wagon trailing arms and axles.
so from what i've gathered i have to shorted the wagon trailing arms to fix in my CRX and then use the adapter that Lowflyin' has made to keep my CRX Si's rear disc brakes
i've got both the CRX and RT4WD trailing arms side by side and i can see what adjustments i need to make have it fit up into my CRX
i really haven't found ANYONE doing what i'm doing, so it's all new/just make it work lol
CRX Frame + Integra Motor + AWD CRV Trans + Civic Wagon Rear End = BAD ASS
should be a lot of fun when i'm done with it all because the winters here in Michigan are snowy and lots of fun
I got your message. The current hang-up is getting the parking brake cable in place and functional.
If there are any out there that do not want or need the parking brake to work, I can do a run of the adapters.
What charb said, I put 250 aside when you started. If i need to start bumping it up just say so. Make it work.
I'd rather source parts on my own most of the time anyway so i can get the rotors and pads i want.
I'm running RT4WD wheels on the car right now, so 14" will clear.
$200 would be just for the caliper adapter brackets and hardware, basically to get you to the point that my DD wagon is at now. Functioning rear disc w/o the parking brake.
$350 would be for the caliper adapter brackets and parking brake cable brackets, and associated hardware.
I'm still finalizing the design on the PBC brackets, but I could do a run of just the caliper adapter brackets to satisfy those that want to do it now.
Thanks for the clarification. Well here in Europe you won't get anywhere without a parking brake cable, so I will have to wait for your completed 350 package and see how that goes.
Just in case, if there are multiple Europe folks wanting in on this let me know. We should be able to coordinate this to make it easier on LowFlyin. I can give more details if there is enough folks.
In with the rest of the above, do the whole enchilada. I want them, I'll pay....they cost what they cost. Don't short yourself either when pricing these!
Don't ask us if the price is okay, ask yourself if the price is okay. I, and a few others, have been around long enough to appreciate what this is and the work put into it.
i think they can be done cheaper if someone on here had access to a CNC machine to make exact replicas everytime out of good metal maybe you two could make a deal
, what are you using?
and for the lowest end option what parts do you need to get to make the price jump 2 times higher?
dont mean to sound rude if i do.
i read the thread but it sounds like you just need to source calipers , brake cable and adjust it to work with the calipers and i guess brake lines?
itd be helpful to other users im sure if you compiled pics and data into one single post as well so people wont have to go thru the 13 pages of nothingness haha. good shit on taking the time and effort to find a solution
just saying if you want to develop a quality product a cnc machine would be the way to go. unless your using that already...
and if u cant use one then have someone else develop it for you and you and that person work out a contract of use of the design
and yea you come off offended and neglected to answer or reply to what i said and went straight to that.
lol did you think he's filing these out by hand? Looks to me like he already has someone to do his cnc work.
considering the fact that no one else is even beginning to develop this he can charge what he wants. If you think it costs too much, this just isn't for you. A bolt on rear disk kit for under 1k with everything is a steal.
Some of us want them for stuff other than bragging rights or show stopping. Brake fade isnt fun when you need them
There was only one other guy who has done this and offered it to the community and it was a complete kit, not one you could piece together yourself, and he was asking 1200 complete. So I am thinking 200-350 and you find the parts isn't bad, this gives you the opportunity to use your connections to make this a cheaper kit.
With this being a braking component, there is a large amount of risk that I open either my person or business to if something catastrophic were to happen...like life devastating stuff, both to me and the families involved.
That is one of the reasons I haven't just thrown this out there. I'm trying to get my ducks in a row so should something happen I'm not left out in the cold, naked.
The components that I have designed are being machined out of quality billet aluminum and by a quality CNC machinist.
I'm hoping this isn't the only conversion product that comes out of CD1Racing. There is another RT4WD market that could use a RDC, too.
Problem with that is the only component you need would be the caliper. The pad and bracket are different.
I'll have a complete part list put together, as well as, have everything sourced together as a package. Some will want to source their own parts while other will want to buy a bolt on ready kit. I'd like to be able to help out both of those enthusiasts.
I will be creating a marketplace thread so the business part can be conducted there, in accordance with the CW.com rules.
sounds good sorry again if i offended you wasnt my intentions ,
will be waiting along with everyone else.
i swear a couple of people have RDC on here but never did a write up on it idk if they were 4wd tho.. i kno NSU has a 5 lug too id kill for a 4x114 setup just to run those ITR rims haha
thatdoodle (bagged Beagle) was the guy who was doing the rear conversions and I can understand not everyone wanting to put out a writeup. When you build something that is one off, keeping it a secret keeps everyone else off the rush to copycat, and charging 1200 for the complete kit keeps that pretty exclusive. Jaker also did a rear disc setup but no writeup, and I am not sure if he put out what he was using either. Both thatdoodle and Jaker's were RTs, Jaker's was RT converted to RWD.
thatdoodle (bagged Beagle) was the guy who was doing the rear conversions and I can understand not everyone wanting to put out a writeup. When you build something that is one off, keeping it a secret keeps everyone else off the rush to copycat, and charging 1200 for the complete kit keeps that pretty exclusive. Jaker also did a rear disc setup but no writeup, and I am not sure if he put out what he was using either. Both thatdoodle and Jaker's were RTs, Jaker's was RT converted to RWD.
yea your memory is good haha i been on here for a while like you ive gone thru all the relevant posts concerning RDC but no writeups!
it just kind of tickles me the wrong way i remember coming to this forum because honda tech was full of the - " do your own research , its a easy solution " type answers and the bullshit from trolls n what not.
i liked this forum because it was more about fellow wagon enthusiasts posting write ups and how tos and sharing ideas not about being secretive
i personally think this conversion cant be as hard as its lead to believe, we all know honda like many other makes uses the same parts in a lot of production to save money and for the sake of convince as well.
hell theres even parts you can get to fit on these cars from other makes and models!
my RT when i got it came with a A/C unit from compressor to condenser that was not made for my car although it didnt work when i bought it, i assume it worked at some point as the compressor would click over ( i ended up just getting a complete kit from a sedan because im a OE type of feller. )
I might not be as educated as some that have taken on the task its not about what you know but what you can learn when it comes to things like this imo.
Im confident i could come up with a solution if i had my license and a junkyard within a bike ride distance this stuff isnt rocket science!
i admit i dont always post write ups on things but i always try to if its a project i look at and am thinking to my self - damn idk if i can do this
take my clear taillight writeup for example its not the most well written but i think it gives the jist of the process to the point anyone on here can do it.
maybe if all the people combined what they know and dont know someone could come up with a solution that maybe is overlooked
It isn't difficult, all you need is the bracket. What I dont have is time to design the bracket, a cnc to make the bracket, or the know how to do either. That's what ive paid for.
Everything else can be as cheap as you want to make it. Want to use a bigger caliper off the rear on an NSX? design your own properly measured bracket. There's no big secrets here. Just some time with a caliper and design work
This thread IS what all the people are combining and this IS a solution, the only current issue you have is it's too expensive. Which is personal to both you and the company you're buying from.
If you genuinely believe it's this easy, then please do head down to the yard and figure out how to make it work, make it safe, and make it perform. Not one of us is going to do anything but encourage and help in any way we can. Just please dont tell someone what their time is worth if you disagree. It may not be rocket science but brakes and tires are the one area i don't compromise on.
It's another thing entirely to make something for customers.
I don't think it's worth his time really. I wouldn't offer any kit for less than $400, it's a nightmare waiting to happen in my books.
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To satisfy the requests of those most interested in a RDC, another part needs to be designed and made and several parts that do exist need a few alterations to make them fit properly. This adds cost to something I already think is going to be a high ticket item that the actual cost to make available is going to turn a lot of you off.
I'm multi-4-digits into this project already and I still only have a working caliper on my car, with no e-brake.
I do still want to produce this, but it's the unknowns and lack of real free time that have kept me from pushing forward.
I got your message. The current hang-up is getting the parking brake cable in place and functional.
If there are any out there that do not want or need the parking brake to work, I can do a run of the adapters.
Let me ask the community this >
Looks like pricing is going to be around $800-1000 for a full bolt on kit.
Bracket only kits (you source parts) will be around $350.
If you want just the adapter brackets for the calipers only it will be around $200.
Where do you stand on those numbers?
Dont deny those of us that will pay because you cant please all the kids. Enthusiasts need these! Don't deny!
I'd rather source parts on my own most of the time anyway so i can get the rotors and pads i want.
$200 would be just for the caliper adapter brackets and hardware, basically to get you to the point that my DD wagon is at now. Functioning rear disc w/o the parking brake.
$350 would be for the caliper adapter brackets and parking brake cable brackets, and associated hardware.
I'm still finalizing the design on the PBC brackets, but I could do a run of just the caliper adapter brackets to satisfy those that want to do it now.
Just in case, if there are multiple Europe folks wanting in on this let me know. We should be able to coordinate this to make it easier on LowFlyin. I can give more details if there is enough folks.
Yes, I would be okay with that.
Marketplace thread: http://www.civicwagon.com/showthread.php?18796-Rear-Disc-Conversion
, what are you using?
and for the lowest end option what parts do you need to get to make the price jump 2 times higher?
dont mean to sound rude if i do.
i read the thread but it sounds like you just need to source calipers , brake cable and adjust it to work with the calipers and i guess brake lines?
itd be helpful to other users im sure if you compiled pics and data into one single post as well so people wont have to go thru the 13 pages of nothingness haha. good shit on taking the time and effort to find a solution
Got it.
Sorry to come across crass, but that is essentially what you are saying.
and if u cant use one then have someone else develop it for you and you and that person work out a contract of use of the design
and yea you come off offended and neglected to answer or reply to what i said and went straight to that.
considering the fact that no one else is even beginning to develop this he can charge what he wants. If you think it costs too much, this just isn't for you. A bolt on rear disk kit for under 1k with everything is a steal.
Some of us want them for stuff other than bragging rights or show stopping. Brake fade isnt fun when you need them
Dont some parts warehouses sell loaded calipers for 50-70? could probably just pick up something like that. not quite as cheap for the rear though due to parking brake stuff.
http://www.amazon.com/Centric-142-40540-Loaded-Friction-Caliper/dp/compatibility-chart/B000EQ23DM
should be easy to source some new stuff if you dont have a close junkyard.
With this being a braking component, there is a large amount of risk that I open either my person or business to if something catastrophic were to happen...like life devastating stuff, both to me and the families involved.
That is one of the reasons I haven't just thrown this out there. I'm trying to get my ducks in a row so should something happen I'm not left out in the cold, naked.
The components that I have designed are being machined out of quality billet aluminum and by a quality CNC machinist.
I'm hoping this isn't the only conversion product that comes out of CD1Racing. There is another RT4WD market that could use a RDC, too.
Problem with that is the only component you need would be the caliper. The pad and bracket are different.
I'll have a complete part list put together, as well as, have everything sourced together as a package. Some will want to source their own parts while other will want to buy a bolt on ready kit. I'd like to be able to help out both of those enthusiasts.
I will be creating a marketplace thread so the business part can be conducted there, in accordance with the CW.com rules.
will be waiting along with everyone else.
i swear a couple of people have RDC on here but never did a write up on it idk if they were 4wd tho.. i kno NSU has a 5 lug too id kill for a 4x114 setup just to run those ITR rims haha
I'm wanting to go ahead and upgrade my fronts to the EX too though. What fronts are you rocking now LowFlyin?
it just kind of tickles me the wrong way i remember coming to this forum because honda tech was full of the - " do your own research , its a easy solution " type answers and the bullshit from trolls n what not.
i liked this forum because it was more about fellow wagon enthusiasts posting write ups and how tos and sharing ideas not about being secretive
i personally think this conversion cant be as hard as its lead to believe, we all know honda like many other makes uses the same parts in a lot of production to save money and for the sake of convince as well.
hell theres even parts you can get to fit on these cars from other makes and models!
my RT when i got it came with a A/C unit from compressor to condenser that was not made for my car although it didnt work when i bought it, i assume it worked at some point as the compressor would click over ( i ended up just getting a complete kit from a sedan because im a OE type of feller. )
I might not be as educated as some that have taken on the task its not about what you know but what you can learn when it comes to things like this imo.
Im confident i could come up with a solution if i had my license and a junkyard within a bike ride distance this stuff isnt rocket science!
i admit i dont always post write ups on things but i always try to if its a project i look at and am thinking to my self - damn idk if i can do this
take my clear taillight writeup for example its not the most well written but i think it gives the jist of the process to the point anyone on here can do it.
maybe if all the people combined what they know and dont know someone could come up with a solution that maybe is overlooked
Everything else can be as cheap as you want to make it. Want to use a bigger caliper off the rear on an NSX? design your own properly measured bracket. There's no big secrets here. Just some time with a caliper and design work
This thread IS what all the people are combining and this IS a solution, the only current issue you have is it's too expensive. Which is personal to both you and the company you're buying from.
If you genuinely believe it's this easy, then please do head down to the yard and figure out how to make it work, make it safe, and make it perform. Not one of us is going to do anything but encourage and help in any way we can. Just please dont tell someone what their time is worth if you disagree. It may not be rocket science but brakes and tires are the one area i don't compromise on.
It's another thing entirely to make something for customers.
I don't think it's worth his time really. I wouldn't offer any kit for less than $400, it's a nightmare waiting to happen in my books.