Exhaust sizing

I haven't had to size an exhaust for a FI application before so I was looking for some input from someone with more experience.

I'll be running 8-10psi from a jrsc on a z6 which will have a 10.5:1 compression ratio. Any input would be appreciated.

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  • 63mm or roughly 2.5" would be most efficient for your setup

    this will help you really calculate what you need.
    http://dairally.net/daihard/chas/MiscCa ... iPipes.htm
  • SpeedLogicSpeedLogic New Wagonist
    And get mandrel bend, not crush bend....
  • That calculator was helpful, but also kinda crazy.

    Mandrel bent was the plan.
  • holy crap that calculator looks complicated. intake valve duration?
  • are you having one built for you or doing a DIY? i'm kind of curious about what its going to cost if you dont mind me asking. i'm trying to figure out if what i was quoted is insane or not
  • I'm going to have one built. I will also need them to modify the Bisimoto V2 header to fit around the RT trans. I'm expecting it to run me about 1k-ish. I think one of the members here got their RT exhaust done by LHT in Florida and it ran him $700.
  • order extra belts from jackson.
    then you can order from the nearest distributor once you get the package.
    you'll love the power.
  • hey you can pm me and i can modify exhaust any header to work with the rt4wd oil pan.

    that calculator helps really fine tune your exhaust so that you can maximize your power.
  • 2.5" is definitely what you need, I know a guy that will do mandrel bent aluminum for you for around $350, and it's in Wisconsin.
  • hellmeroma wrote:
    2.5" is definitely what you need, I know a guy that will do mandrel bent aluminum for you for around $350, and it's in Wisconsin.
    i've never heard of aluminum for an exhaust, only different kinds of steel.

    the guys i talked to here quoted me $650 for mild steel, mandrel bent, but i guess thats on par with other places. its just a shame when you can get an exhaust for other cars in stainless for less than half that...
  • hellmeroma wrote:
    2.5" is definitely what you need, I know a guy that will do mandrel bent aluminum for you for around $350, and it's in Wisconsin.
    i've never heard of aluminum for an exhaust, only different kinds of steel.

    the guys i talked to here quoted me $650 for mild steel, mandrel bent, but i guess thats on par with other places. its just a shame when you can get an exhaust for other cars in stainless for less than half that...

    Those steel exhausts are just coated, and eventually rust... I'm pretty sure there is a guy around me that bends aluminum for exhausts, but I could be wrong... I had one ran for my integra, and it was only $280, I'll look into it further
  • Sounds like aluminized steel.
  • kylerwho wrote:
    63mm or roughly 2.5" would be most efficient for your setup

    this will help you really calculate what you need.
    http://dairally.net/daihard/chas/MiscCa ... iPipes.htm


    this is EXTREMELY not true and a common misconception!

    honestly ANY high horsepower you must use 3'' or bigger..

    i know this from experience. i have cars come into the shop daily with 2.5'' exhaust and the flow restricts them from making the power they could and it chokes their engine out. basically the engine cannot get rid of the exhaust fast enough and it slows the rest if the process down.

    i had an n/a car come into the shop on the dyno, built motor 85mm pistons 95mm stroker crank custom pistons custom head porting. 2.5 exhaust only made 220.
    same car with 3'' made over 240 thats a built b series.

    i can sit here and tell you story after story but that would be redundant.

    just because someone suggests it doesn't make it true. call any REAL tuner and ask them they preferred exhaust sizing and use what they tell you..

    ill give you two places to call and ask them instead.

    1) NRG Tech Racing on Long Island NY 631 243 6674
    2) t1 race development in Houston TX (214) 607-902

    wait till weds. (we have a grudge race in baytown TX and both shops wont be back until then)

    those are the two fastest people in the industry (if you dont know who these guys are you tube em)


    in addition, if you use mild steel (which is fine its just less expensive) spray paint over the welds and the flanges b/c thats where it will rust. nothing wrong with mild steel, DONT do aluminum if you plan on driving this car actively. aluminum is weak and one bad bottom and your exhaust is crushed. mild steel is fine but seriously, don't go less than 3''. ANYONE who says ANYTHING about back pressure needs to be up' doesn't know what they are talking about. you want zero or negative back pressure if anything. (btw to get negative back pressure one would need to create a scavenger effect on the exhaust system. google that its what circle track guys do to get lift on the pistons)
  • ^just out of curiosity why would you want to use a 3 inch specifically on a 1.6L?

    not trying to start a huge debate, i honestly want to know your experience.

    that setup will be flowing a max amount of 24lbs/min which would run through 2.5 will almost zero back pressure.
  • JDMWago666JDMWago666 Senior Wagonist
    ^^High horsepower. Whether it's a single cam or dual cam 3'' is always better for the high output set ups. It's just about flow.
    I would go 3'' for this set up, you'll need the extra flow for your SC. This is my opinion.
  • werntonbwerntonb Band Wagon
    kylerwho wrote:
    63mm or roughly 2.5" would be most efficient for your setup

    this will help you really calculate what you need.
    http://dairally.net/daihard/chas/MiscCa ... iPipes.htm


    I agree.. I installed mine a 2.5"
  • Well, I wouldn't really consider this a high horsepower application. I'm hoping to see somewhere near 200hp, assuming I can get a good tune. Based on most of the other dyno charts I've seen from jrsc'ed sohcs breaking 200hp takes some doing and without any cooler 200hp-ish seems about the limit. Here is my full build:

    D16Z6
    JRSC 8psi pulley
    Hondata S300
    DSM 450cc injectors
    Walboro 255 fuel pump
    Skunk 2 valves
    Supertech valve springs/retainers/seats
    ARP Head Studs
    Crower Stage 2 cam
    Skunk 2 Cam gear
    Bisimoto V2 header
    CP 10.5:1 pistons
    Eagle rods (std length)
    Full OEM gaskets/bearings/seals
    New OEM pumps,sensors.

    If I remember correctly the K20A's in the CTR have a 2.25" exhaust. My thought process was that I also don't want a loud exhaust so finding a balance between sound and power is going to be my concern. 2.25" was my first thought, maybe 2.5".
  • If you want to keep loudness in mind I'd go 2.5. I had 2.5 on my hatch with a built N/A b18c1 in it and it sounded amazing. A little loud but seeing this will be a SOHC it'd be a tiny bit quieter (well it was when I swapped exhaust over to my friends boosted z6 hatch). I also plan to get a 2.5 exhaust built for my wagon which will be running a z6 turbo about 8-10 or 10-12 lbs.
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