Turbo kit?
pyroskater6912
Wagonist
well after checking out some build threads here, tearing up parking lots in the snow, and watching videos, i'm extremely tempted to switch up my plans and boost the wagon rather than supercharge my saturn.
my question is, is there somewhere where i can pick up a kit with most everything i would need to turbo the stock engine (if i kill it, a swap is lot easier in a honda)? thats what i was happy about with the saturn, i picked up a kit with everything i need other than some injectors. realistically i wouldnt be looking to make huge numbers, just something a little fun.
i searched a lot on here, and i'm learning. but the only thing i really found as a kit (i'm still looking) was the ebay kits, and i dont know much about their quality
thanks guys, and sorry if i didnt search enough
my question is, is there somewhere where i can pick up a kit with most everything i would need to turbo the stock engine (if i kill it, a swap is lot easier in a honda)? thats what i was happy about with the saturn, i picked up a kit with everything i need other than some injectors. realistically i wouldnt be looking to make huge numbers, just something a little fun.
i searched a lot on here, and i'm learning. but the only thing i really found as a kit (i'm still looking) was the ebay kits, and i dont know much about their quality
thanks guys, and sorry if i didnt search enough
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If you don't go with that the next best thing is to just piece it together like what I was going to do but then I remembered this kit and it ended up being cheaper.
The key is to not have more than one project car going at once...unless you like staying busy, and broke...
Ebay turbo's are not good for high boost I have seen a reliable ebay turbo that has been pushing 7 lbs for a few years and it's fine. I have also seen them go shitty at 18lbs in a day. Also MOST ebay bov's use a poor design that uses a diaphram that commonly tears and leaks boost.
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I love that saying.
Another good idea is to keep an eye on the H-T forced induction for sale forum. There is a lot of traffic there, and sometimes you can pick up really good, lightly used full setups for 1/2 of original cost.
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That saying right there is in the running for the best thing I have ever read on the internet.
But also, like it has been stated piecing a kit together will be your best option. Here is a brief run down on parts/prices from what I have found, while looking to turbo my wagon.
-Turbo manifold- Ebay manifolds are a hit and miss here, sometimes they crack sometimes they don’t, straight shot in the dark. However you can find nice, name brand, thick, log style manifolds for between 100-300. Could also look into using a HF exhaust Manifold, but not sure what is needed to do that.
-Turbo- Again Ebay manifolds are a hit and miss with these also. But with all the other stock turbo options out there, might as well spend the extra money and get a good turbo for extra piece of mind. This is defiantly something I would look for used, as the price of new turbos can be between 700-1500. But you can find deals on the same turbos from 500 and up.
-Intercooler- This is the only product that most people will use from ebay. They are pretty cheap, and for low boost setups they work perfectly. Depending on size they range from 50-200.
-Intercooler Piping- I was going to just give my wagon to a shop and have them fab up intercooler piping since I was unsure about a kit that would work, however you can find intercooler piping kits for a EF on ebay for 100-150. But I would make sure that you have the pipe ends beaded so you dont constantly blow intercooler couplers loose and lose boost.
-BOV- Unless you really want the cool sound, I would go with a stock DSM or Audi/Saab BOV. However if going with a aftermarket BOV, like stated above, ebay BOVs leak, so I would look for a used one, but will probably run you around 100-200.
-Exhaust/Downpipe- I was going to have this stuff fabbed up locally at a shop since I have a RT4wd. But to buy a Downpipe and a exhaust made I was looking at somewhere between 400-600 depending on where and what design I finally decided on.
Tuning- This is completely up to you. I have a chipped OBD1 Ecu, so I was going to convert ot OBD1 and run chrome. Getting a chipped ECU shouldn't cost more them 150-200. However tuning I am unsure of a price since that depends on how extreme you get with it.
-Fuel- By fuel I mean Injectors and Fuel pump. A Walboro 255lph fuel pump kit can be bought brand new for around 100 from a bunch of places. And injectors are going to very depending on how large you go, and whether you go with aftermarket ones or stock DSM injectors, Saab injectors, etc....
-Oiling system-you will need a Oil feed and drain kit, this kit can be bought brand new for 100-150 from most places, with everything needed to install it.
-Extra stuff- Then there are a bunch of other things might be needed, but are completely up to you. Boost gauge, FPR, upgraded Clutch, Catch Can, Wideband, etc...
Sorry for rambling on, really bored here at work, and felt like typing all this stuff out. Hope it helps at least a little bit.
But like stated before Honda-tech forced induction section has a lot of really good prices on stuff, and check there vendor marketplace also, can sometimes find good deals on some smaller items in there.
Don't let me derail the thread, but damn! Sig worthy material right dur.
that was something I actually stumbled upon today. after a few emails searching for a local exhaust builder several of the audio shops i talked to (thats really the only places i have some contacts at) all recommended i talk to these guys:
http://www.innovative-motorworks.com/index.php
and after a lengthy phone conversation with one of the tuners, i've got a few places to look, real helpful guys there. not sure about the price he gave me for the exhaust though
My questions are:
What are your power goals? Built internals at all or just slapping on a kit and crossing your fingers?
What's the budget? I can tell you right now that turboing the wagon will definitely be cheaper than the SC'd saturn and will probably be just as fast if not faster
as for budget, if i were to sell what parts i have for the saturn, i'm sitting on about $2000 worth of parts, so that would be my budget, the downside to that is that almost half of it seems like it would be going to get a decent exhaust setup running
Alright here we go! This is what I would suggest, and maybe some users on here would agree with me that this will get you enough power to put you in the back of your seat and hurt some feelings with your wagon. I've done this set up on many sohc's and it is the MOST reliable turbo kit I can think of. Main reason, we are using factory parts. Factory parts that are made to last for everyday driving. Don't get me wrong though, performance kits are great, but OEM is the way to go for reliability IMO.
Turbo manifold: HF w/ 14b or t25/t28 adapter. Which ever turbo you prefer either is great, t28 will get you a little more power.
14B/t25/t28 turbo- $100-150
HF manifold- Free from a good friend or $50 bucks
Flange for OEM turbo to HF mani- $50 <--- eBay, and yes its good
IC kit w/ t-bolt clamps and couplings- $150-$200 <-- eBay as well, I have never had a problem with them
Oil Feed/Return kit-$50-75 from any vendor, eBay is good too though =P
Depending how you do your oil return, you can use the kit or buy a morosso. I would personally go with the return kit, works just fine.
But.. morosso runs- $ 200-250
BOV- You can be cheap, get lucky, and run a OEM DSM one, which can be like $50, but the BOV is why we boost isnt it? for the cool sound!
HKS SSQV- $200, my personal fav. Tial "Q"- $200
Injectors- DSM 450cc will be good up to 300hp $50 OR Evo8/9 550cc- good to about 350-380hp $100
--- Your vehicle is already equipped with a resistor box, so wire up the clips and you're good to go, any dsm clips will work for either injector set.
Tuning- My buddy and I here in OKC charge $100 to chip and socket an ecu, street tune is another $150 on top. We use eCtune, chrome is a little out-dated, but will still get the job done. S300 would be your BEST route since any tuner can download the software and tune your car. We have tuned my friends integra up to 800whp on s300, so yes, it is a great management system. but that'll run you $500-600.
Downpipe and exhaust- Muffler shops usually charge me about 80 for the DP and 60 for the exhaust.. Muffler is your choice.
You can get fancy with gauges but I'll let you look all that stuff up. Turbo set-ups can be fairly cheap, and reliable, believe it or not.. lol. A t3/t4 will get you more peak HP, but on a lil 1.6L SOHC, the spool will be too late. With a t25/28 set-up, you will love the insta-spool
So grand total is.. $1215 w/ nice bov and chipped p28
w/ s300... $ 1655 not including tuning.
Also, Your stock MAP sensor is good till 10psi, or you can go with GM 3bar which usually runs an extra 50 bucks.
Just take your time, and slowly piece it together. Keep your eye on forums and ebay for good deals!
Hope this helps, need any other help with turbo stuff, just give me shout.
A poorly designed manifold with the wastegate port in the wrong location will cause boost spiking that WILL kill your motor.
That saying is oldschool! Sadly true though :roll: