To all those who have more than 5 years invested in your wag

I'm looking for responses from folks like NJ1 & 2, Bam bam, Rev, Wagodizzle, and anybody else who has put in work getting their wagons straight. I've been replacing and fixing my wagon just trying to get it OEM and legit, but it never seems to end. There's always a new rattle or squeak. How tight do you guys have things(beyond looking great in pics)? Are you constantly replacing/ repairing things(beyond the normal)? Don't get me wrong, I'm not living in a fantasy land, I know these are 20yr old cars, I guess I just need a pep talk.
Just a little info on my situation,my wagon is a daily right now(until I get my element) with plans of making it something fun to take to meets/shows. I only drive when going out of town or to pick something up that I can't on my bike. So the car isn't getting a lot of use.

Thanks in advance.

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  • Old SkoolOld Skool Council Member
    That's just the quirks of owning a old car.. My '89's needed alot of work to get them to where Im happy with them (minus some more power) the hatch still squeaks, etc etc It never ends.. Just wait another 10-15 years.. Im on constant hunt finding parts for my 70's Honda's..
  • NZ-DB8RNZ-DB8R Moderator
    Ive only had mine just over 2years.

    It goes through phases of needing new bits but I feel im getting on top of it. In saying that ive spent over $2000 on Honda parts in the last year, all for the Shuttle :lol:
  • I have about 4 in mine. At first it wasn't bad. Little things here and there nothing major. Oil leaks, noises you can never find, but everything was easy to fix and relatively cheap. Then the hunt for more power came, bigger wheels, blah blah blah, and now it feels like it will never get finished. Before all that it wasn't anything that couldn't be fixed, and I felt it wasn't much different than the other cars I owned. It was better and more reliable than some of the newer cars I owned. Those are all gone, and I still have the wagon.
  • Thanks guys I needed that. Rage, I meant to list you as well, you've done much work. I'm a total noob mechanic so that's part of it. I never get it right the first time, but I don't mind the learning experience. I think I won't trip as much when a get a newish car That I don't have to worry so much about. If I have something to, "get me there" I won't stress so much about having the wagon in parts for longer periods of time and I can try to kill some of the, "bugs" I haven't had time to deal with.
  • SiWagonSiWagon Council Member
    Old Skool wrote:
    ... My '89's needed alot of work to get them to where Im happy with them the hatch still squeaks, etc etc It never ends.. Just wait another 10-15 years.. Im on constant hunt finding parts for my 70's Honda's..

    You lucked out I just figured where that squeak is coming from last nite.It was like a friend was playin triks on me by putting a Cricket in my Wgn.I thought it was the rear hatch.Spent weeks playing around with it.Turns out it was the rear seat pivot.Oiled it squeak went away.A few months go by .The squeaks back. :evil: I'm really pissed now.I'm in the rear bouncing the Wgn. up & down.So what I did now was a little extreme.I goto the rear hatch .Unscrew the rear hatch bump stop out so far that the rear hatch open dash light comes on with the hatch shut.Squeaks gone.I'm now in process of slowly turning the bumper back in till it starts to squeak to figure how far to screw it in.
    FSC4wd wrote:
    ...but it never seems to end... always a new rattle or squeak. How tight do you guys have things(beyond looking great in pics)? Are you constantly replacing/ repairing things(beyond the normal)?
    Mines is pretty tight.It's been 6 years.The way I see it is buying a dream car on a loan w/o penalty.Ya you can spend $15,000 on a new car and worry about monthly payments,late penalties & higher insurance).It still looks like everyone elses car.Or you can put less than $15,000(including Wgn.) in the Wgn and it'll be way cooler.I was at the library the other day .This cute girl had her BF ask me if I wanted to sell mine Wgn.Just keep replace those bad parts(flexible loan payments w/o late penalties).It goes in cycles you'll replace some parts and it'll go fine for a long while,then other parts.Over all compared to other makes It's actually fewer parts.Most are normal maintenance parts.Even a 8 year old car will have the same probs.Just slowly tackle each of the parts over time & you'll be OK.Don't let it ply up.Think of all the money saved.As you upgrade parts (Teg brakes,Wheels,rear wings,OEM dash clock,etc.)think of it as factory upgrades they add on in newer models.If you got specific probs that's why WE"RE here.It just feels like you're always replacing parts.I'm happy And I drive mines pretty hard.
  • There is also something else about the wagons that I love, their simplicity. When something goes wrong in the wagon it is usually pretty easy to track down, and considering the age of the car just about every topic is found on the internet if you don't know how to fix the problem.
  • quartersquarters Council Member
    i've had mine for 8 years and let me tell you, the squeaks & minor repairs. The wagon always get's you were you need to go, but it's rarely in class or style. i'm at 468,000kms and once i hit 500k, i'm seriously thinking of retiring the old workhorse. that said, in the 8 years, i've probably only put about $1500 into repairs. parts are cheap, doing it all yourself is key. if i paid a shop to do all my repairs, i would have spent over $10,000 easy.

    get very good at completely rebuilding the front suspension & brakes, it will last you forever.
  • bam-bambam-bam Council Member
    I got the first wagon in '07, and have since put about 53,000 miles on it. They're great little cars, but you have to enjoy working on them a bit. If I have an issue with one of my cars, I simply fix it. I know you're thinking "that's easy for you to say!", but just stick with it.

    SiWagon has it right, it's just an occasional "car payment" when you need a relatively costly repair. Develop a relationship with other more experienced enthusiasts in your area, so you can turn to them for help.
  • I recently chased down a few "cricket" squeaks from within the back half of my 1990 wagon, and there was this hard "slap" noise like plastic on metal when ever I'd hit a sharp bump - that noise was also coming from within the back half of the wagon.

    I had my wife drive around while I sat backwards in the rear seats, looking as I listened, and the crickets almost went away entirely while I was back there, which told me that the noise was probably in the rear seats somewhere.

    Low and behold the strikers for both seat back latches have a hard groove worn into them, which allowed the seat backs to move ever so slightly when driving, causing a constant "crickets chirping" noise. The temporary fix that has worked for two weeks now was applying a liberal amount of thick-ass wheel bearing/hi-temp grease into the seat back latches and onto the strikers for them.

    On to the hard slapping noise when hitting sharp bumps.

    A tech at my shop rode in the back of my car while I drove and he found the noise quickly, as his 1990 EF regular hatch had the exact same issue:

    The striker for the hatch latch had a groove worn into it too!!!

    I had already adjusted and lubricated the rubber bumpers/contacts to no avail. I had even disconnected the hatch shocks as one of them seemed to be loose at the top, but the noise had still persisted.

    Temporary fix?

    This is straight out of the ghetto handbook. I cut a small section out of a ball point pen tube, then cut a slit down the middle, and "sleeved" the worn section of my hatch latch striker. the noise is now gone, but I do have to slam the hatch a touch harder than usual, and using the key to pop the hatch makes me think the key is about to twist off so I just use the lever inside the car.

    Permanent fixes for the latch striker issues?

    For the seat backs you can simply remove them, flip them over, and allow the part that is not worn to catch the seat back latch. I thought of this only after I had already ordered brand new strikers from Honda at $7.00/each.

    I ordered a new rear hatch striker and I'm hoping it will not allow enough movement from the hatch to make that slapping noise still. If it doesn't work then I've got an infinite amount of pens to gut and use as sleeves.

    :)
  • bam-bam wrote:
    Develop a relationship with other more experienced enthusiasts in your area, so you can turn to them for help.

    ...and this is impossible for Bam because HE IS the experienced enthusiast in the Southeast US!!!

    Seriously!!!
  • lil'ghostlil'ghost Council Member
    B18C5-EH2 wrote:
    bam-bam wrote:
    Develop a relationship with other more experienced enthusiasts in your area, so you can turn to them for help.

    ...and this is impossible for Bam because HE IS the experienced enthusiast in the Southeast US!!!

    Seriously!!![/quote:ywnvspnp]
    i couldn't agree more!


    personally, i wouldn't be very far with my car, without him.
  • RevmaynardRevmaynard Council Member
    The only issues I ever had are old/used parts going bad. Anything else has either been stupid tax on my part or something along those lines. lolol I usually try to replace everything I can new within reason so I know it's got another decade before it breaks again! haha But in times when your car is down think of why you truly love wagons. :)
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